View Poll Results: What's your favorite faction?

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  • Oodou

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  • Flag

    129 42.43%
  • Onigiri

    95 31.25%
  • Pencil

    6 1.97%
  • Mission Impossible

    9 2.96%
  • Marker

    2 0.66%
  • Cousin

    3 0.99%
  • Kid Meal

    30 9.87%
  • Monkey

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  1. #21
    Swampstorm is offline Senior Member Regular
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Vincent_
    Something should happen. i'm waiting for it and if it doesn't, I might end up making a doujinshi where Harima and Yakumo will become a couple, Hanai dying in the process, and they live appily ever after....... I wish XD
    Now's a good time to start drawing as any, I suppose.

    Quote Originally Posted by _Vincent_
    I know that Harima calls Yakumo; 'Imouto san' , but its obvious that Harima aren't really friendly with people. (seeing he didn't had a friend before .... maybe) thats probably why he is very polite towards her. btw he couldn't call her Tsukamoto san because he calls tenma that already.
    When you look at it, Harima is polite to most of the females that he interacts with. The public image that Harima uses is calm, under control, and slightly aloof. In that regard, Harima is treating Yakumo like any other girl. The only girls who really manage to get a reaction out of Harima are Tenma, Itoko, and Eri.

    Quote Originally Posted by _Vincent_
    Imouto = Little sister
    Yakumo being called Imouto is just a short cut for Harima.
    rather than calling her Tsukamoto-Imouto san.
    For that matter, Harima calls Anegasaki Tae "Onee-san".

    While the politeness issue is there, in a way, Harima envisions himself with Tenma fairly often - which makes Yakumo his sister, in a sense. Also, Harima uses 'Tenma-chan' instead of 'Tsukamoto-san' while thinking, but Yakumo is always just 'Imouto-san.'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    P.S Onigiri is winning !!
    Onigiri has been written out of the manga for the past 8+ months. It's hard to win at anything if you don't even show up, to begin with.

    Oh, you mean the poll, I suppose. That will probably change fairly easily, once there are more voters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    In future, he will start to call Yakumo 'Ya~chan' or 'Yaku~chan' ;p
    Tenma used to call Yakumo by a similar sounding name when they both were kids, in ch.174. Yakumo was none too pleased about it, as I recall.

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    hah!! gentlemen you normally won't see posting on this board are starting to post.... :P

    any hoo.. time an time again..... we must reiterate....
    kidsmeal is either a monkey type faction or an either-or option...
    i for one nominally take the latter... though now i must say i favour the previous.......
    after watching copious amounts of shoujo ai in one sitting ( strawberry panic simoun bakuretsu tenshi..)

    but that remains.. i am the largest proponent of the kidsmeal...
    WHy on eart do people do shit to their bodies, say no to drugs and to School Rumble.
    its opium for the soul!
    i'm lovin' it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm
    Onigiri has been written out of the manga for the past 8+ months. It's hard to win at anything if you don't even show up, to begin with.
    If you think about, there wasn't much flag when onigiri was winning in manga. Now is Flag turn, then it will be Onigiri again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm
    Tenma used to call Yakumo by a similar sounding name when they both were kids, in ch.174. Yakumo was none too pleased about it, as I recall.
    If it was her boyfriend, maybe she wouldn't mind. And she is diffrent now Lovey-dovey Harima and yakumo conversation:
    "Okaidi-nasai Ha~chan "
    "Okaidi, Ya~chan <KISS>"
    ... or something like that ;p (Well, of course if he choose Yakumo over Eri)


    Quote Originally Posted by Swampstorm
    Oh, you mean the poll, I suppose. That will probably change fairly easily, once there are more voters.
    A challange !! Interesting. I shall help in propaganding Yakumo and make her the queen of this poll Let the best girl win !

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    Oujo means mistress or a female title of high importance (like duchess, or countess). So wouldn't Harima's reference to Eri as such be due to his view of her as a rich, demanding heiress in the way that Yakumo is his Imouto (lil' sis) and Tae as Neesan (big sis). In this way, his words 'Oujo will always be Oujo' would probably mean that she will always be the rich girl in his eyes no matter how she tries to seem different. Doesn't seem so romantic to me.
    "You are a 100 years too early to argue logically with ME......"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weimario-kun
    Oujo means mistress or a female title of high importance (like duchess, or countess). So wouldn't Harima's reference to Eri as such be due to his view of her as a rich, demanding heiress in the way that Yakumo is his Imouto (lil' sis) and Tae as Neesan (big sis). In this way, his words 'Oujo will always be Oujo' would probably mean that she will always be the rich girl in his eyes no matter how she tries to seem different. Doesn't seem so romantic to me.
    It's even worse for Eri. Normally, you say Ojou-san or with greater respect - Ojou-sama. It's like with the Japan naming, if I call someone by just his name 'Harima', and not 'Harima-san' or 'Harima-kun' it means
    a) I'm from his family
    b) I know him for pretty long time
    c) I don't respect him

    To the point, Harima is calling her with disrespecting tone, he calls her 'Ojou' to irritate her. But still, they say "The hotter the pair is, then they more quarrel" - or something like that (It's international, I don't know the english version of this) ;p So we shouldn't understimate Eri She is a formidable foe for Yakumo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    If you think about, there wasn't much flag when onigiri was winning in manga. Now is Flag turn, then it will be Onigiri again.
    Nope. Flag was always lurking in the background, even when Onigiri was at it's peak. You never have Onigiri without Flag. In the current story arcs, however, it's set for Flag vs. Oudou, without Onigiri.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    If it was her boyfriend, maybe she wouldn't mind. And she is diffrent now Lovey-dovey Harima and yakumo conversation:
    "Okaidi-nasai Ha~chan "
    "Okaidi, Ya~chan <KISS>"
    ... or something like that ;p (Well, of course if he choose Yakumo over Eri)
    You mean Yakumo over Tenma.
    Actually, if Yakumo is willing to say "I wish I never had a sister" when Tenma calls her by that name, then...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    A challange !! Interesting. I shall help in propaganding Yakumo and make her the queen of this poll Let the best girl win !
    The results for these types of polls tend to stabilize in a fairly consistant manner after lots of people vote.

    Oujo means mistress or a female title of high importance (like duchess, or countess). So wouldn't Harima's reference to Eri as such be due to his view of her as a rich, demanding heiress in the way that Yakumo is his Imouto (lil' sis) and Tae as Neesan (big sis). In this way, his words 'Oujo will always be Oujo' would probably mean that she will always be the rich girl in his eyes no matter how she tries to seem different. Doesn't seem so romantic to me.
    Well, it's a bit more complex than that.

    Ojou-sama - term of respect ("My lady") - Nakamura
    Ojou - term of derision ("Princess") - Harima

    Similarily, Eri's lack of honorifics when addressing Harima makes the name 'Hige' insulting. However, there are a number of times in the series when Harima begins to change his mind about Eri. Ch.152 is a very important one, for example. Also, as the series progresses, while these nicknames were initially insulting in nature, they start to lose their sting, since they are used in playful banter. It's an evolving relationship, and you can trace the change in tone through the series, even though the nicknames stick.

    For that matter, Harima takes on a similar attitude around Itoko. He may curse her behind her back - but when all is said and done, they're still family, and he sticks by her. This is part of the reason why Harima and Eri are considered to be such a "natural" couple by their classmates. There are no pretensions or the formalities of polite speech - Harima and Eri are themselves around each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    So we shouldn't understimate Eri She is a formidable foe for Yakumo.
    You've got it backwards, somewhat. Yakumo hasn't even decided to enter the competition yet - and it's been 181 chapters to date. Eri has never been a foe of Yakumo, because Yakumo wasn't interested in the rivalry to begin with.

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    It's to Swampstorm, making a quote is too much trouble for me

    I think when Onigiri was taking place (match making between Harima and Yakumo), there was Eri, but not Flag, I feel that way. Just because Eri was always around and she was showing how jealous she is didn't gain much points for Flags, because Harima has never been a witness those 'jealous Eri moment' and he wouldn't understand that, in other words - their relationship didn't get any deeper. And why Eri is in manga when Yakumo takes a lead ? Because she is a very important character and everybody want to know what does she thinks about the situation.

    And you can't say Yakumo is indifferent to Harima - she was always thinking bout him as a 'good guy', and there are many things that attracts Yakumo to Harima ,she can't read his mind and she is curious why, she is a guy who doesn't consider her as 'oooh, sexy-neechan !' but as a normal person, and he is propably the first guy Yakumo could open her heart.. a bit (normally she is only talks more friendly with Tenma and Sara). And that blank spot when she was talking with Eri, she said something very important. Moreover - Yakumo already said that she likes Harima, but in kinda different way, when she described the main hero of Harima manga, she said she like that kind of men (Harima manga main hero is Harima himself).

    *Spoilers* I downloaded Raw volume 12, it because of it my theory of 'Onigiri -> Flag -> Onigiri -> ..' was born, where you can see few important chapters for Onigiri (Harima and Yakumo live under the same roof) and after that you have almost the same situation with Flag (Harima nad Eri both living in Mikoto house).

    About Tenma.... I don't consider her as a real rival in 'Harima couple fight'. There wasn't lately anything important for Odou. Author concentrated on having a battle between Yakumo and Eri (it's how I see it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    I think when Onigiri was taking place (match making between Harima and Yakumo), there was Eri, but not Flag, I feel that way.
    Well, in the manga version, you have scenes of Harima and Yakumo together - and then you have scenes of Eri thinking about Harima, placed side by side. These scenes don't really build on Harima and Yakumo's relationship as much as they make the readers aware of Eri's inner struggle. It directs your empathy - which is important in terms of deciding who is the main character in a story and who isn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Just because Eri was always around and she was showing how jealous she is didn't gain much points for Flags, because Harima has never been a witness those 'jealous Eri moment' and he wouldn't understand that, in other words - their relationship didn't get any deeper.
    It's not about what the characters actually know so much as what we know. Yakumo could display feelings for Harima at a time that she is "off camera" - but it still wouldn't matter unless the audience actually became aware of it. The simple fact that we know that Eri likes Harima and Harima doesn't creates tension (also known as dramatic irony). This build up and eventual discharge of tension is what keeps you at the edge of your seat.

    In that particular story arc, the tension that builds up during Eri's misunderstanding and period of angst is discharged by the limo scene with Harima. Note that this scene occurs right at the end of the manga writing story arc - it's the "happy ending" to that particular part of the storyline.

    On another note, simply spending time with someone isn't enough to build a relationship with them. When you take a close look at those Onigiri scenes, nothing is actually developing between the two. They spend a lot of time writing manga together, but is the act of writing manga in itself enough for the relationship to grow? I don't see much substance in those scenes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    And why Eri is in manga when Yakumo takes a lead ? Because she is a very important character and everybody want to know what does she thinks about the situation.
    Exactly. As the main female lead, the main storyline has to occur with context of her thoughts and feelings. You don't see this with Yakumo, Tae, or Mikoto, though, in this regard. In any story, the main character always has to receive the most character development, to prevent other characters from taking away the main focus from him/her. Throughout the story, Eri has received the most character development, and she's at the centre of every major story arc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    And you can't say Yakumo is indifferent to Harima - she was always thinking bout him as a 'good guy', and there are many things that attracts Yakumo to Harima ,she can't read his mind and she is curious why, she is a guy who doesn't consider her as 'oooh, sexy-neechan !' but as a normal person, and he is propably the first guy Yakumo could open her heart.. a bit (normally she is only talks more friendly with Tenma and Sara).
    Yakumo may see Harima as a friend, but like is not the same as love. There are plenty of reasons why Yakumo could fall in love with Harima - but we haven't seen her actually fall in love with him, to date. Let's not put the cart before the horse.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    And that blank spot when she was talking with Eri, she said something very important.
    I've covered this one already, I believe. The blank spot is the answer to Eri's question, just before. If it was something more important, then we would have revisited it, by now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    Moreover - Yakumo already said that she likes Harima, but in kinda different way, when she described the main hero of Harima manga, she said she like that kind of men (Harima manga main hero is Harima himself).
    We know that Yakumo likes Harima, as a friend. The love issue is a completely different one, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    *Spoilers* I downloaded Raw volume 12, it because of it my theory of 'Onigiri -> Flag -> Onigiri -> ..' was born, where you can see few important chapters for Onigiri (Harima and Yakumo live under the same roof) and after that you have almost the same situation with Flag (Harima nad Eri both living in Mikoto house).
    That's actually the last Riceball arc. Look back before the Sports Festival or after the Omiai arc, and Onigiri isn't in the picture at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolox
    About Tenma.... I don't consider her as a real rival in 'Harima couple fight'. There wasn't lately anything important for Odou. Author concentrated on having a battle between Yakumo and Eri (it's how I see it).
    Tenma is universally present in all the Harima story arcs. She may not be directly involved as a potential relationship, but she's still a major obstacle. Harima may not be able to win her affections, but if he refuses to give her up, it's all for naught.

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    It's strange how people can think that Harima-Yakumo have a good chemistry... i guess beauty is in they eye of the beholder. When Yakumo and Harima are together they just draw the manga: there was no development from the first time Yakumo went to Harima's house. They just work on the manga in silence. Since Yakumo has clearly said she doesn't love anybody i guess Onigiri is more a "fan's desire" than "Yakumo's desire". Yakumo had her chances in the past to take action and approach Harima if she was interested but she didn't. Taking action doesn't mean being succesfull since Harima is Harima after all but Yakumo doesn't even try to get closer to Harima (chapter 170). When Harima was at Tsukamoto's house she barely spoke to him and Harima was completely focused on Tenma. It's questionable to even consider it a Onigiri arc (it was more a Ooodou arc to me). Not to mention that during this arc we get glimpses of Eri and her upcoming arc.....

    Every Harima paring other than Oodou have a BIG obstacle to overcome: Harima's obsession for Tenma. Right now Harima is just focused on Tenma and doesn't even recognises other girls as possible lovers. But this is changing right now. The plot has constantly put Eri in the place of Tenma.
    When Harima wants to meet Tenma.... he meets Eri.
    When Harima thinks about Tenma.... Eri comes into action.
    When Harima has a plan to get Tenma.... Eri gets in the way without even trying.

    Eri is the greatest rival of Tenma for Harima's attention. The picture Harima is holding when he is on the fishing boat is pretty famous.
    Btw this is clear in chapter 160... it's new Year and Harima dreams about carrying Tenma on the back... by the end of the chapter he will carry Eri on the back. A more subtle substitution. In chapter 149 Harima dreams about him and Harima in front of a Christmass tree.... and guess what happens in chapter 154?
    Storywise Harima and Eri are coming closer and closer.

    And what's Harima thinking? We already knows that Harima just does not think of other gilrs except Tenma. But Harima has showed a small interest in Eri at least two times: at the deserted temple in the Omiai arc and at the new year festival. At the festival it was shocking.... it was Harima's tunnel vision applied on Eri.

    Flag is constantly developing and improving in the last 100 chapters. The biggest threat to Flag is Oodou not Onigiri.... Onigiri was already out of the picture since the Play and in the latest chapters the author seems to actively "disengage" Yakumo from a match she has already lost and to focus her in another direction....



    On the nickname note. It's interesting to see how nicknames are bound to Flag/Onigiri developments. Harima started to call Yakumo Imotou-san (and Ya-chan won't happen.... never! Yakumo hates to be called Ya-chan or similar) out of respect and cause she was Tenma's sister. Harima was forced to use a nickname for Yakumo since she couldn't call her Tsukamoto-san (that's how she calls Tenma) and he couldn't call her by her first name of course. The situation didn't change... as Onigiri.

    On the other hand Eri calls Harima "Hige" and Harima calls Eri "Oojou". This obviously started as a rude way to address him/her and to show hostility. But later on we see that there is no hostility in the nicknames it's more like being intimate. The use of a nickname is a sign of intimacy and shows how close Harima and Eri are. After all Harima can be himself only around few people: Tenma, Itoko..... and Eri. With other girls he is just unusally polite and stiff.
    Last edited by otacu; 06-12-2006 at 12:10 AM.

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    It won't change anything, but I just need to say it. Chapter b21 or OVA 2 - of course Harima was thinking about Tenma then (like always...) but still you can't say they are just writing manga (It was very good presented in OVA rather than in manga). But still , everybody will say that it wasn't anything special and just a few second moments, and moreover it's a 'b' chapter so it doesn't count.... well, it counts for me

 

 
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