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    kakashi1300 is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    Default Sanada vs Atobe (round 3)

    well according to the manga the two previously had a match two times already (the 1st one officially in the kantou finals, atobe was not able to keep up with rai and lost. the 2nd one was not finished because it was interrupted by yukimura). so if these 2 were to meet for the 3rd time (of course in their current state) who would win? of course most will say it will be sanada because of his win against tezuka (well atobe defeated tezuka too but tezuka was still injured at that moment) but tecnhique-wise atobe has a chance with his tannhauser serve and the world of ice. here's my opinion on each other's chances:

    Sanada:

    he can easily pull a win off using his famed fuurinkainzanrai, especially the killer "rai", which even tezuka was not able to return even once. in their previous meeting he was able to dominate atobe with his "zan" (mountain) until the world of ice which he was unable to return. IMO the world of ice would be his greatest nemesis in the match because he doesn't have the tezuka zone to counter it (he admitted it, being the only technique he was unable to copy in his muga form, so as atobe), so he needs to become more offensive in their match and hit the rai early on for an easy win. i don't know about "in" (shadow), if it can hide the blind spots world of ice can see but if it can, then we already know who the mangaka sides with.

    Atobe:

    his plays must only concentrate on his 2 greatest techniques, the tannhauser serve and the world of ice. he can easily win his service games with his tannhauser serves (with the nonbouncing ball it's an automatic ace). and come sanada's service play he must pull off the world of ice before sanada hits the "rai". IMO that match will be "rai or world of ice, whichever comes first".

    The bottom line: Atobe has a lesser chance to win, but with enough determination and focus (continuously hit tannhauser serves to secure his service games and break sanada's service game even once with his world of ice) he still stands a chance. your opinions please.

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    tennisthehilife is offline Senior Member Regular
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    I remember Atobe played Sanada when he was learning the World of Ice Technique. Sanada was leading b/c of his Immovable like Mountain technique, Zan. Yukimura told Sanada to stop, that he would lose.

    Hmm... but Sanada was hiding his Strike like Lightning and Formless like Shadow for Tezuka.

    In the anime, they played and it was a tie? But, I guess anime doesn't matter + it took early in the storyline. Hehe, Tango Towards Destruction.

    Atobe has his insight and world of ice.

    He has shown that he can handle SoSA Echizen and pull off some cool moves like Higuma Otoshi and Viking Horn.

    ^Ahh... I feel like I repeated most of the post above me -_-

    Yeah so it all depends on:

    -Atobe's Insight, World of Ice vs Shadow
    -If Atobe's Tannhauser Serve can hold but KaRinRai (Fire, Forest, Lightning) combo was used against Tezuka to defeat Tezuka's "Zero-shiki serve." Sanada combines Fire, Forest and Lightning, into 1 extremely powerful serve return.
    -Atobe's physical strength, PoH Tezuka had a hard time.
    -Determination, well both are them are, maybe Sanada a lil more.
    -Atobe's ability to hold off a SoSA Echizen proves something (Viking Horn!!!), I'm not sure how he could apply it. Maybe this proves his ability to handle wild brute strength and the unpredictable.

    I think the biggest disadvantage for Atobe is power, Sanada in the Sanada/Tezuka match, has shown how much brute force he has. Maybe if Atobe trains in the gym more (like in the anime, All Japan Team).

    Atobe/Sanada would have new moves/evolve though so you can't really make any solid predictions.

    Prince of Tennis can explain anything in just in one small flashback. (Kaidoh's straight snake shot, Reverse Tezuka Zone (or Tezuka Phantom, I like the reverse).

    But, I think all and all, it'll probably be like the rest of the matches. Show off all your pretty moves then in the end it all boils down to a endurance match, 3000-3001 tie break or something like that.



    Edit:
    O I should probably give a solid opinion on who I would think would win:
    Well.. I guess I can't, I'm a very unsure guy as you can tell (...).

    With only the abilities shown so far and if they didn't evolve or get new attacks: I would have to say Sanada
    -Shadow defeated Tezuka's PoW!
    -Rai over powered Tezuka's PoH!

    Atobe has shown hes better than Echizens SoSA though.

    ^Ahh... feel like I repeated again... sigh

    If they actually had a match now in the manga however, there would be evolution/new attacks and then I would vote for Atobe, b/c I love cheering on the underdog.
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    Fayte is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Sanada wins 6-0. There is nothing Atobe can do.

    WoI < Shadow
    Tan serve < KaRinRai

    Done.


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    If PoGW can beat world of ice , then shadow can too... but nobody knows. Maybe shadow , since it has multiple bahevior patterns like in doubles, can reflect confusing blind spots, and WoI wouldnt world... that would be all for Atobe. But I dont think that KaRinRai can 100&#37; beat taunhauser serves.. I mean the zero shiki serve was really tired and maybe that was the reason it was defeated. But even with that thaunhauser serve should be easier to return because it goes towards( the oposite oF ZSS).

    So without the techniques... the raquets blown away and the blood. Sanada would win, because he has more abilities, and he was considered the number 1 at his moment. Also yukimura said that no one can defeaty him (except him), and i think yuki is very reliable.
    your movements were really bad... #slapps everyone, even sanada#


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    I'm always on Atobe's side! He doesn't need the State of Self Actualisation to use Higuma Otoshi and Viking Horn!! ;p

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    Urameshi-sama is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fayte View Post
    WoI < Shadow

    Done.
    Agreed on this part. That's enough to guarantee Sanada's victory for me. Also, tannhauser serve is not unbeatable (just look at the Echizen/Atobe match).

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    yep.. can use to defeat the ZSS
    your movements were really bad... #slapps everyone, even sanada#


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    the tannhauser serve, i believe, is not bouncing. while atobe did counter the tannhauser done by echizen (and i don't really know why), it might be that the serve was weak so the ball bounced a bit. remember you can't volley your return so if the serve does not bounce then all's done. and i don't remember the tannhauser straining atobe, so he can do that more often for an easy service hold.

    i also don't remember PoGW defeating the world of ice. it was the tezuka zone that defeated the technique, and ryoma was not in the muga state during that time.

    but yeah the "in" and the "rai" would really spell the difference between the two. but i wouldn't bet on a bagel defeat for atobe. he has a technique for easily holding serves so i think their match can be brought to a tie-break.

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    ^Echizen also countered the tannhauser serve somehow (otherwise Atobe would have still won 6-2).

    And no one said PoGW defeated WoI. We said In defeated WoI because it would prevent PoGW and WoI from seeing or discerning weak points (hence the name In).

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    I don't consider myself an expert in matters like this, but I don't see any way for Atobe to win against Shadow. With the unpredictable nature of the shot, he'd probably have a lot of trouble hitting it to the pinpoint locations necessary to make WoI work. The Tannhauser Serve could give him a few games, but given the way things work in PoT I wouldn't be surprised if Sanada could counter it somehow (maybe hitting it the exact moment it touched the ground?).

    The only possibility I see would be if Atobe somehow pinpointed a physical weakness in Sanada and exploited it.


 

 

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