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    Urameshi-sama is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanghai Kid View Post
    If I were to rank the players 1st tier it'd be:
    1) Echizen
    2) Yukimura
    3) Sanada
    4) Tezuka
    5) Atobe
    Atobe was better then Tezuka when they played... however the I think Tezuka has shown more improvement then Atobe has since their match and has surpassed him. (Entirely speculatory BTW)

    If I were to rank players in 2nd tier it'd be:
    1) Fuji
    2) Shiraishi
    3) Kirihara
    4) Chitose
    5) Tachibana
    All of them except Kirihara are pretty much on the same tier/plane. But if you must distinguish, put Atobe down with Fuji and Shiriaishi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanghai Kid View Post
    Tezuka's shoulder was his weakness vs Atobe. Atobe took advantage of this and won the match, and therefore was the better player at the time of the match.

    Kabaji's inexperience was his weakness vs Tezuka. Tezuka took advantage of this and won the match, and therefore was the better player at the time at the time of the match.
    That's like saying that if Federer had a coach as a child and the coach beat him the coach is a superior player today.

    Time of the match is irrelevant; the current skill is what really matters.


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    ^Agreed. Sanada and Atobe's matches with Tezuka are incomparable since Tezuka couldn't use the main body of his strong moves against Atobe, while he could against Sanada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanghai Kid View Post
    Tezuka's shoulder was his weakness vs Atobe. Atobe took advantage of this and won the match, and therefore was the better player at the time of the match.

    Kabaji's inexperience was his weakness vs Tezuka. Tezuka took advantage of this and won the match, and therefore was the better player at the time at the time of the match.
    didn't Tezuka let him take the advantage...

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    ^not really, but that's not the point. Winner of the match=/= better player. Look at Sanada v Echizen, and the matches you(Shanghai) mentioned. Tezuka is and was better than Atobe at the time of their match. Kabaji and Tezuka both lost matches due to circumstances preventing them from playing their fullest (and not really controllable or exploited by others, except in the case of Sanada). Tezuka lost after being unable to use MnK and the exacerbation of an injury that was already self-destructive to start with. Kabaji just lost due to the rain. No effect by Tezuka there, unless he can control rain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mystic_guard_sinoel View Post
    That's like saying that if Federer had a coach as a child and the coach beat him the coach is a superior player today.

    Time of the match is irrelevant; the current skill is what really matters.
    Notice how I said at the time Atobe and Tezuka played, Atobe was the better player. Also notice how I said currerntly, I believe Tezuka is the better player.

    Focus people!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    ^Agreed. Sanada and Atobe's matches with Tezuka are incomparable since Tezuka couldn't use the main body of his strong moves against Atobe, while he could against Sanada.
    Tezuka couldn't use the main body of his strong moves vs Atobe was a physical weakness on Tezuka's part. This is why Atobe was able to beat Tezuka. Many people say that if Tezuka had a healed arm, he would have won... bu when I assess who was the better player for a match... I look at what actually happened in the match instead of what could have potentially happened.

    Same thing with Sanada vs Echizen. People say Sanada would have won if he used his all of his techniques. However I say that Sanada has a mental strategy weakness in that he did not utilize his techniques at the right time. Part of being a good tennis player is knowing the proper time to use your techniques. Sanada failed to do this in his match vs Echizen, and thus Echizen was the better player in this match and won. When Sanada played Tezuka, he improved upon his weakness that he displayed vs Echizen. He utilized his techniques at the right time, and was able to beat Tezuka.

    As for Kabaji vs Tezuka... part of being a good player is being able to play in various conditions (wind, rain, grass, hardcourt, clay, etc). Tezuka was able to beat Kabaji because of his experience playing in different conditions using PoHW.
    Last edited by Shanghai Kid; 11-07-2007 at 08:25 AM.

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    Learn to not double post...


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    Quote Originally Posted by mystic_guard_sinoel View Post
    Learn to not double post...
    Sorry about that.

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    If Fuji is a Prodigy, doesn't he deserve a better final counter? It was the ultimate Gate Keeper of Hecatonchires then Star Fireworks? Star Fireworks wasn't amazing enough. If that is truely his last counter, if this is end of POT, I'm disappointed.

    I will forget Star Fireworks ever happened and only acknowledge Gate Keeper of Hekatonchires as the Final Counter.

 

 
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