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    Roselyn is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    fuji loses most of his games because he doesn't put effort on the games he plays in early chapters. at least that's what i think. his potantial is shown in latest chapter i guess. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahrizal View Post
    I think Ryoma would find a way to defeat Fuji's gatekeeper. Even higuma otoshi was defeated by Ryoma after a few tries. Ryoma is someone with bottomless potential.
    Back to the topic, Fuji is a prodigy.
    The way Fuji was playing against Ryouma (and Shiraishi for that matter) was sort of like how I play table tennis against my little brother. I'd just keep hitting heavy slices (which would result in the ball hitting his side of the table or net when he tries to return) until he gets used to them and consistently starts returning winners, and then I move on to something else and repeat the cycle. If I get carried away and he gets too large a lead in points, I can't get back into the game because my brother is still a good player. Ryouma wasn't even at that stage yet, because when they stopped Fuji was leading while only hitting lobs for Ryouma to smash and returning with Higuma Otoshi.

    Quote Originally Posted by kawaiikitsune View Post
    Like I said before, just because someone isn't the best doesn't mean they're not a prodigy. I'm curious whether or not Tezuka and Ryoma would be considered prodigies. They work really hard, so they might be good through hard work rather than raw talent. Okay, maybe Ryoma would be, but would Tezuka? How much of his skill is from talent?
    IIRC, Ryouma was hailed as the prodigy who took a US juniors tournament by storm. And in the Tezuka vs. Atobe match, Fuji himself said something about Tezuka being the genius who trancends genius. I think they're just not called prodigies as much as Fuji is because IMO Echizen isn't at Fuji's level of spontaneous genius, and both Echizen and Tezuka's tennis styles place more emphasis on training and experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by shahrizal View Post
    I guess Tezuka is more on his talent. The crowd of the match Tezuka and Inui vs Chitose and Zaizen somehow said that Tezuka had sealed off his Muga when he enters Seigaku. Wow, so when Tezuka was in his first year, he can use Muga. Muga is not something that can get via hard work. I guess it is more of talent.
    In short, Tezuka = prodigy.
    Actually, the Rikkaidai seniors were saying during the Tezuka vs. Kite match that Tezuka had HJnK before joining Seigaku. So forget about him having Muga as a first year, Tezuka had Hyakuren as a grade schooler! @_@;

    Quote Originally Posted by xxsaznpride View Post
    How I look at it:

    Skill = What you get from training.
    Talent = What you have before training.

    Prodigy, I think, is a guy with lots of talent. So... I'm pretty sure Fuji's a prodigy.

    Right now... the thing is that some people don't think Fuji's a prodigy because he gets beaten by the good people more times than not.
    Yeah, I think if we infer on Eyeshield 21, Fuji would be closest to Agon (extreme talent; though minus the attitude problem), while Tezuka would be closest to Shin (extreme talent plus extreme training).

    Though I don't get the part about Fuji losing alot (yeah, I know you said "good" players, but that's a relative term). Are you counting doubles and anime-only matches? Not counting the anime Tezuka vs. Fuji match, I can only remember Fuji losing 1 singles match (Shiraishi), and 1 doubles match (when Kawamura broke his wrist against Fudoumine). Against Tachibana it was only one point where Fuji's gut was ripped (OK, his racket's gut ^_^; ) which doesn't count as a loss. This isn't to say that Fuji wouldn't probably lose against Tezuka for example were they to play, just that the match didn't occur and Fuji has almost always won.

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    i think fuji is a talented player, not sure about the prodigy thing even though people keep saying he is one...however, it is true that he was never motivated to win before, he usually plays just enough to win or if he really wants to crush somebody to 'avenge' his bro (for e.g.)...however, it seems now, the recent chapters has shown him to become more motivated and you never know, he might just be whatever happen, i like his character!!! his one of my favs!

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    I guess it depends on your definition of prodigy. According to dictionary.com (Yes, I know I should have used Webster, but I'm lazy. Sue me.), a prodigy is "a person, esp. a child or young person, having extraordinary talent or ability." I guess it depends on how you define extraordinary. Fuji definitely has talent and ability. I guess it's up to you to decide whether it's "extraordinary." I think it is. :3

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    ^According to that definition, practically everyone in the anime/manga is a prodigy. The players are all in junior high and therefore are all relatively young, yet their tennis skills are unreal.

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    Lol. Duh... But I guess that's what makes PoT interesting. Who likes skills that are actually real? Haha. Lol. That was a rhetorical question. Don't answer it.

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    Does Fuji fill his own title?....Yes.
    People question Fuji's genius because he doesn't constantly compete with the other good players in the manga and because all the other good players in the manga do. I mean, its easy to underestimate Fuji when you compare him next to ambitious players like Atobe and Echizen or next to the longstanding geniuses like Tezuka who could've probably outclassed the Fuji after his match with Shiraishi as a freshman.
    But, can you name one tennis player who is scarier than Fuji? I personally believe Fuji is a genius because even though he many be considerably weaker than Tezuka and the people at Tezuka's class at this point, Fuji has shown the most improvement when he gets serious and is the most unpredictable player because of it. He was scary enough from the beginning when he beat most of the weaklings with his innocent smile, but when he gets serious he seriously breaks all limitations. When he was serious, he beat Kirihara Akaya in SOSA while blind and almost beat Shitenhouji team captain Shiraishi after being down 5 games in a 1 set match. He gets so powerful and unpredictable when he gets serious, and I think this is what sets him apart as a prime example of a genius. As Chitose said, Fuji is the most dangerous player from Seigaku. Neither Tezuka nor Echizen have shown such a steep a learning curve as Fuji during the matches when he gets serious. I suspect that if Fuji legitemately worked as hard as Tezuka or even as hard as Echizen, he would enter into Tezuka class in no time.

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    like Tezuka who could've probably outclassed the Fuji after his match with Shiraishi as a freshman.
    I reaaaaaally doubt that, but I guess there's no proof either way.

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    Yeah, @Urameshi, I also think as long as Fuji find his motivation to work harder, I am pretty sure Fuji would stand in the same level as Tezuka, Atobe, Chitose, Ryoma etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    As Chitose said, Fuji is the most dangerous player from Seigaku. Neither Tezuka nor Echizen have shown such a steep a learning curve as Fuji during the matches when he gets serious. I suspect that if Fuji legitemately worked as hard as Tezuka or even as hard as Echizen, he would enter into Tezuka class in no time.
    I agree, but I think he would have to really work hard to surpass the people stronger than him right now. Tezuka was already called a genuis, but up until Nationals, he hadn't shown much improvement. He surprised us with Hyakuren, but apparently he had it already. The only improvement we've seen from Tezuka is the Saiki no Kanpatsu. (sp?) Maybe Tezuka improves just as quickly as Fuji, but he's just never had the chance. Even if Fuji works hard, it doesn't mean he'll be able to improve at the same rate. The stronger he gets, the harder it'll be for him to improve a little.

 

 
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