*sigh* since onee-san requested, Wooo Go Fayte U Did Marui's Move In Ping Pong.
Originally Posted by kawaiikitsune
wow d.A... thats alot... but since i am not exactly tennis genius, I dont see how you can generate topspin easily with a onehanded backhand. I find it easy, personally, with a two-handed to get topspin and a one-handed to get slice. Also, the problem of reach and having to set up the shot for two-handed, I dont think it matters if you have uber running skillz, or if you are in the world of anime and can do some ryoma one-footed split step blah junk.
Since a one-handed backhand uses the same motion as a regular one-hand forehand, the racket will brush the ball upward as you hit it above your waist, thus creating the natural topspin, unlike the two-hander which hits the ball fairly flat right at waist level which doesn't allow the racket to brush the ball in a certain direction thus doesn't cause the ball to have a natural rotation.
If your not generating topspin with your one-handed backhand, then your not finishing correctly over your shoulder.
The more refined your swing and the higher swing velocity, the more topspin.
I have a slight topspin on my two-hander as well due to my semi-western grip on two handed backhands, but even though I use my two-hander more, my one handed-backhand has way more topspin. Same goes for my friends who use both a two-handed backhand and a one-handed backhand.
And the reach problem, it matters, no matter how fast you are, you will be forced to use one hand by an accurate technical player. Not just running side to side, but reaching behind you, and running forward. You could be the fastest player in the world, but your reach with a two-hander will always be shorter than a one-hander. In anime it might not matter, but in real life sooner or later you will be forced to reach, no matter what.
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Hm... Thanks for the info, d.A. I still have to use a two-handed backhand. I took tennis for 2 years, but I haven't exactly built up the strength to use a one-handed backhand. I have problems holding my wrist steady when I rely on one hand.
Hey.... Don't blame this on me! I didn't request. I was just saying. Lol.
Originally Posted by Babii-Boo
Last edited by kawaiikitsune; 01-29-2007 at 09:00 AM.
Thanks da... I still dis-agree with the topspin. maybe because i have an insanely western-closed-upward swing for my forehand, i dont realize that i am generating topspin when i try to use the one-handed. But i see your point, though since i swing my two-handed backhand with a western grip, i guess i get more topspin? *sighs* i dunno
I just started playing tennis two weeks ago and my serve is terrible:/(I learned how to make it not go so high but the speed is still slow). I want to try to get all my basic tennis skills higher as fast as possible(in around 1-1.5 months since the tennis season at school is starting at that time). Any suggestions to increase my serve speed and get more topspin? I am not even sure what topspin is.:/
P.S I am a lurker :O
Topspin is when the ball spins forwards so it goes forwards as opposed to backspin where the ball spins backwards and bounces lower. The amount of backspin it would take to make the ball bounce backwards is something you'll probably only see in prince of tennis.
Definitely. If you did something like that, then I assure you it's either a fluke that hit the frame of your racket or a high spin slice that only traveled a foot or so forward before hitting the ground.
And with beginner tips with a serve: I'd stick to a topspin serve that has a high success rate if your first learning a serve, so I'll type up a quick step/tip guide for it. I'll also assume your a right hander.
+: Easy to make in the service box, high success rate, can force errors, allows ample time to serve and volley if your fast, easy to learn, better suited for singles
-: Not overwhelmingly fast, slower ones are prime targets for deep returns, overly aggressive doubles partners are less efficient with this serve
The way I teach it to others is by comparing it to lightly throwing a ball, mainly because they use the exact same arm and wrist motion.
That said, go throw 10 tennis balls like you would serve them. (Cross court aiming to get them over the net and in the service box in the opposing side of the court your standing on) Try and do this with two minor alterations: stand with your body parallel to the sidelines and take your back foot (farthest from the court) and use it to step forward as you throw the ball (pointing your front foot toward the court helps).
That is the basic form for a topspin serve, try and grasp the muscle movements in that motion, especially the wrist flick.
As for the toss, going from the same stance (body parallel to the sidelines) I would toss the ball slightly in front of you towards the court.
Now for when you go try it with a racket in your hand hitting the ball from a toss...
Basic tips that help most people:
1) Don't Hit with Excessive Power -- the same amount of strength you used to throw the ball is fine, as long as you time your hit semi-well the ball will have a enough power on it for starts. Once you're comfortable hitting it slowly add more and more power but topspin serves are made to be consistent not fast.
2) Don't Jump -- The more excessive movement, the more likely you'll mis-hit the ball. I recommend leaning forward but don't jump. As you get more comfortable with it, you'll find yourself leaving the ground as you compact your body right before hitting the ball but that isn't the same as jumping.
3) Hit High, Toss Higher -- The higher your toss, the more time you have to adjust to it before hitting it, the higher you hit, the more power is transfered to the ball and the faster it will go.
4) Point at the Ball -- I know it sounds really stupid but point at the ball with your non-racket hand. It really does work. It also forces you to raise your other shoulder which increases the top stability of your body which in turn prevents you from overdoing any movements. This also works on smashes, or any other forehand shot. If you don't want to stick a finger out, at least point your arm toward the ball.
5) Spin on the Toss -- The best tosses don't have any spin on them, the less spin on them, the more likely you'll have solid contact with the ball.
6) Height Worry -- Sometimes the ball will look like it barely went over the net to you, it's an illusion. A decent topspin serve usually clears the net with a good two-three inch clearance but looks like it barely goes over due to the dropping nature of the ball, don't mind it.
If the ball is going short or into the net -- You are either hitting it too far forward, or too high / low from the toss. Try adjusting your point of contact with the ball first, if that doesn't work move your toss closer to you.
If the ball is going long (too far) -- You are either flicking your wrist late or are reaching for the ball too much during the toss. Adjust your wrist flick first and try flicking earlier, if that doesn't work then wait a a bit longer before you hit the ball from the toss.
If the ball is going too far left or right -- Either your turning your body to much / little or your brushing the ball instead of solidly contacting it. Firstly check your grip, I find a hammer grip is the best grip for beginners to use while serving. If that doesn't fix it, go back to the throwing motion and fine tune it so that the ball is landing near the center of the service box.
Just to make sure I don't falsely advertise the serve, the topspin serve is for consistency not power. While it can go decently fast once you get used to it, it's biggest advantage is it's ability to force your opponent into hitting their stroke higher then they want to. A competitive topspin serve will have a noticeable jump in speed as it hits the ground as well as you being able to get it in at least 80% of the time. Trying to get a topspin serve to be a power serve is like trying to pull large cargo with a small car -- it's not what it was designed to do. My topspin (5 years of working on it) currently bounces high enough where shorter people (five feet-ish) are forced to step back and hit the ball near their chest height and taller people to hit it above their comfort zone.
Last edited by d.A.; 01-30-2007 at 10:08 PM.
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Thanks for the tips again. ^.^ I have so much to try next time I go play tennis. Unfortunately, I have no idea when I'll have time. ;_;
... if you are a begginer, i would recommend working on your flat serve, but d.A is more experienced than me, probably, so...
personally, i think that a flat serve is easier to his, attains the most power, and requires ALOT less work to master than the topspin serve. or is it just that i am thinking topspin=kick=twist?