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    Quote Originally Posted by Reigon View Post
    1) No, it's actually hinted that Sanada would lose against (Kantou) Atobe if he doesn't use FuuRinKaZan (Sanada uses it when he's droven into a corner and they say he beats Atobe everytime with it)

    2)He just didn't really use SOSA, because he's arrogant, which is actually Sanada's greatest weakness.

    3)Sure, that is why I say that he might have a chance if he developes a new, very strong technique (or really uses SOSA, but looking at his personality...)

    So as I said: I think that without FuuRinKaZan, (Kantou) Atobe (and Renji, Inui, Tezuka, Ryoma, Fuji and everybody that has equal strenght[Kantou level]) can, more or less easily, beat Sanada in a fair match.



    No all that is shown is that Sanada can win with FuuRinKaZan. (and as I stated it's hinted that he needs it)
    Also when Echizen broke the World of Ice, Atobe still put on one hell of a match, while Sanada just plainly died when Echizen broke Fire (okay 3 good Lobs and after that? nothing even with SOSA on. Sanada is no match as long as he can't use FuuRinKaZan (even the Lobs just worked because Echizen has a Super-Attack playstyle, was in SOSA for a long tome and is a little bit shorter than the rest, it wouldn't have worked with Atobe)
    The only reason echizen won was because of the samurai image that made Sanada uneasy. Like I said, Echizen shows this when he is pushed passed his limit. (something Tezuka saw) I wonder why Atobe didn't see it?


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    1). Ryoma was in SOSA when playing against Sanada, so the only way he won was by copying his techniques, this shows how much Sanada has pushed him.

    2). Ryoma was not in SOSA when playing against Atobe, so he won by his own skills and without copying the World of Ice, this clearly shows that Sanada is a greater opponent than Atobe, therefore if the two was to have a re-match (or finish the match) the result would be Sanada winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babii-Boo View Post
    1). Ryoma was in SOSA when playing against Sanada, so the only way he won was by copying his techniques, this shows how much Sanada has pushed him.

    2). Ryoma was not in SOSA when playing against Atobe, so he won by his own skills and without copying the World of Ice, this clearly shows that Sanada is a greater opponent than Atobe, therefore if the two was to have a re-match (or finish the match) the result would be Sanada winning.
    1) No Ryoma was in SOSA at the beginning (which didn't work very well), when he destroyed Fire and at the end for the Cool Drive/higher reaction speed.

    2)World of Ice can't be copied, because it's more like an ability than a technique. It's just Atobe's insight on a much higher level. And Ryoma was in SOSA at the beginning, it just didn't helped.

    Sanada lost 6 games without putting up a fight (okay 3 good Lobs), while Atobe at least tried to win.

    And about the Samurai image: I don't think it's about evolving, it's more about fighting with his whole heart in it. Atobe is a fair opponent, on the same level, while Sanada is an arrogant player, which strenght lies in his special technique and which must therefore be beaten into the ground.
    And even if it would be about evolving, one can say that during the Sanada match Ryoma just evolved to the national level (surpassing Sanada), while he can't really evolve any further against Atobe who is on the same level as him.
    So yes Sanada was stronger at the beginning of their match, but after it Ryoma had surpassed him (Sanada was the stepping stone for getting to the national level)

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    Sanada underestimated Ryoma... Kinda... he lost because he didn't use his all FuuRinKaZan techniques. And didn't use SoSA until the match was practically over. Ryoma improved during the match but he was never meant to win. One more Cool Drive and Sanada would have read trough the move and proceed with killing Ryoma in a blodied frenzy. Tragic but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylent_Viper View Post
    Sanada underestimated Ryoma... Kinda... he lost because he didn't use his all FuuRinKaZan techniques. And didn't use SoSA until the match was practically over. Ryoma improved during the match but he was never meant to win. One more Cool Drive and Sanada would have read trough the move and proceed with killing Ryoma in a blodied frenzy. Tragic but true.
    Maybe (and Ryoma was meant to win), but Ryoma saved the Cool Drive for such a situation (plus he might only have one Cool Drive per match, he never used it twice and always at the end).
    If the match would have been longer than Sanada might have won, thanks to Ryoma being very tired by being in SOSA for so long.
    About the other two FuuRinKaZan techniques: He might have gotten one or even two points with them, but not nearly enough to win (plus if they would ever have a rematch all FuuRinKaZan techniques would be useless, so Sanada would have an even smaller chance to win)

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    If Sanada used all the FuuRinKaZan on Ryoma, Ryoma would have commited Suicide. Period.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fayte View Post
    If Sanada used all the FuuRinKaZan on Ryoma, Ryoma would have commited Suicide. Period.
    oh your right: Sanada might have worked him to death thanks to exhaustion. Great Sanada's only hope to win is that his opponent loses consciousness.
    If he uses all four than he just ensures that Ryoma (or any other SOSA player) can beat him. Even Sanada couldn't be so stupid.
    Last edited by Reigon; 11-14-2006 at 02:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LBM
    Mmkay, forgot about that... but it just supports my point more...that means that Sanada wouldn't need the SoSA either.
    Not really ryoma was able to do the tezuka zone because nanjiro use it against him almost all days and sanada probably hasn´t seen this technique many times
    Last edited by Shiraishi_Kuranosuke; 11-14-2006 at 03:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reigon View Post
    oh your right: Sanada might have worked him to death thanks to exhaustion. Great Sanada's only hope to win is that his opponent loses consciousness.
    If he uses all four than he just ensures that Ryoma (or any other SOSA player) can beat him. Even Sanada couldn't be so stupid.
    If only you were correct. Each FuuRinKaZan is capable of countering eachother. For example, Wind is able to counter Fire. If Echizen copied all of them, they would be at a tie. It would turn into an endurance battle. And we all know who wins in that.


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    Yup... Ryoma... only cause he's the main character. Cause shit... if a freshman can beat the man Atobe Keigo (who is supposed to be a super pwner), then he'll knock Sanada out also.
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