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    Hehehaha is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    Actually, Sanada was only concidered the strongest in Japanese junior tennis when Tezuka and Yukimura were out of commission.

    And that doesn't really prove much, because while everyone acknowledges Fuji as a genius, they tend not to take his genius too seriously since he only shows as much as he needs to.

    I agree that Sanada is one of the top players in Japan, though. In the manga he clearly would have won the match with Ryouma had he been giving it his all. Fuji was the better match for him, but Echizen only got to play because Tezuka risked the match to develop his skills.

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    Thats true, he was considered the strongest when his buchou and Tezuka werent there... hmm i guess we'll see who's the strongest suring the finals eh? I just hope they make the matches at the finals the strongest vs strongest. Like, no offence to Ryoma but he's had too much in this tournament, with Tezuka playing doubles for him and plus he is a little kid with overexaggerated skills, he is just a freshman that is the main character. I pray God that he does not get to play Yukimura and may Tezuka play him instead, as for Fuji and Sanada, for the 2nd stongest in Japan for boys. Though this is what i want, there is a good chance that Tezuka would give up and let Ryoma play the strong people again >=C I mean, would they really make Ryoma play Kirihara again or Renji? As for doubles *Rolleyes*
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    No!!

    Sanada is definetly weaker than Shiraishi. Even if we don't count Ryoma, Kintarou and Fuji, he is just the fifth strongest (by the time somebody said he is the strongest, Yukimura and Tezuka were absent/injured, Atobe was much weaker and nobody knew Shiraishi's level). Considering Fuji nearly won against Shiraishi, he is much stronger than Sanada.

    If you look at it this way than Sanada must show a super-strong new move to even stand a chance against Fuji (and since Ryoma also has gotten stronger like Atobe, he also need it to stand a chance against this two)

    As it is now the list of the strongest is:
    1)Tezuka/?Yukimura?
    3)Shiraishi/Fuji/Atobe
    6)Ryoma/?Kintarou?
    Sanada

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    If you're looking at Sanada's level during/after the Kantou tournament, those rankings are about right (though I'd place Fuji above Shiraishi and Atobe).

    However, if Rikkaidai make it to the final, it's almost guaranteed that Sanada would have undergone a huge improvement, and you might even see Renji and Kirihara on that list.

    I still think Fuji would win if they played, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reigon View Post
    No!!

    Sanada is definetly weaker than Shiraishi. Even if we don't count Ryoma, Kintarou and Fuji, he is just the fifth strongest (by the time somebody said he is the strongest, Yukimura and Tezuka were absent/injured, Atobe was much weaker and nobody knew Shiraishi's level). Considering Fuji nearly won against Shiraishi, he is much stronger than Sanada.

    If you look at it this way than Sanada must show a super-strong new move to even stand a chance against Fuji (and since Ryoma also has gotten stronger like Atobe, he also need it to stand a chance against this two)

    As it is now the list of the strongest is:
    1)Tezuka/?Yukimura?
    3)Shiraishi/Fuji/Atobe
    6)Ryoma/?Kintarou?
    Sanada
    Without even vsing eachother you say Shiraishi is automatically better than Sanada. Every Captain is at the same level of skill. If I were to guess, since Sanada is that much better than Renji and Kirihara, Yukimura isnt that much better than Sanada. So with that said Rikkaidai's Captain and Vice Captain are at almost the same level. (similar to tezuka and fuji) If Sanada(a vice captain) is capable of destroying Atobe(a captain), and even beating him 4-0 the second time they play show that Sanada's skill is better than that of Atobe. The only way Atobe would have beaten Sanada is by "1 Technique" which was World of Ice. Atobe was one of the best in the show WITHOUT that move. He played Evenly with Echizen, and Echizen played evenly with Fuji. With all that Said, Anybody could see that Sanada is far more skilled than Echizen and Fuji.

    *All of that is being said about the Kantou tournament*

    If everybody increases skill in the nationals, the differences will still be the same. We have yet to see how Sanada improved in the Nationals. We know every other character improved drastically. Sanada and the rest of Rikkaidai improved at the same rate (since they will make it to the finals).

    My estimation for the future:

    1)Tezuka/Yukimura/Sanada
    3)Shiraishi/Fuji/Atobe
    6)Ryoma/Kintarou
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    Sanada didn't even use SoSA against Atobe, but the results probably would have been the same. I still rank Atobe higher than Sanada, as for Shiraishi, he is around their level, if not ever so slightly lower because he doesn't have many special moves. Fuji is better than Shiraishi with his new moves, he just spammed Gatekeeper of the Hekatoncheires, he didn't even change it up until the last hit. It was like when Ryoma faced Fuji and he spammed Higumo Otoshi, course he told Ryoma to try and break it, I think this was sort of the same thing. I was probably more of a test than anything, to see how good the Gatekeeper of the Hekatoncheires really was. If he changed it up, I bet he would have beaten him, not giving Shiraishi the chance to become to familiar with any of the counters.

    I think Renji will have improved about as much as Inui, but Kirihara is probably on par with Shiraishi, considering he has SoSA and has improved normally. I can almost bet on it that Kirihara is better than Renji now, and could beat Sanada if he uses SoSA and Sanada doesn't. But the ordering for Rik vs. Sek will be messed up now it seems. Tezuka or Ryoma v Yukimaru, Sanada v Fuji, but what about the other matches?
    I just think it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpiffSpoo View Post
    Sanada didn't even use SoSA against Atobe, but the results probably would have been the same. I still rank Atobe higher than Sanada, as for Shiraishi, he is around their level, if not ever so slightly lower because he doesn't have many special moves. Fuji is better than Shiraishi with his new moves, he just spammed Gatekeeper of the Hekatoncheires, he didn't even change it up until the last hit. It was like when Ryoma faced Fuji and he spammed Higumo Otoshi, course he told Ryoma to try and break it, I think this was sort of the same thing. I was probably more of a test than anything, to see how good the Gatekeeper of the Hekatoncheires really was. If he changed it up, I bet he would have beaten him, not giving Shiraishi the chance to become to familiar with any of the counters.

    I think Renji will have improved about as much as Inui, but Kirihara is probably on par with Shiraishi, considering he has SoSA and has improved normally. I can almost bet on it that Kirihara is better than Renji now, and could beat Sanada if he uses SoSA and Sanada doesn't. But the ordering for Rik vs. Sek will be messed up now it seems. Tezuka or Ryoma v Yukimaru, Sanada v Fuji, but what about the other matches?

    First thing I need to say is Sanada and Atobe. You need to understand that Sanada is 10 times better than Atobe when it comes to skill. Atobe lost to Sanada the first time, and the second time (even when his skill improved for the nationals) Sanada was still dominating him 4-0. We see that the only thing Atobe has on Sanada is the "world of ice". If that is all Atobe has against Sanada, he has no chance of beating him. Sanada will eventually develop a way to counter it (like echizen did)

    Which leads me into my next point. Fuji and Shiraishi. Fuji DID NOT spam the GKoH so he could find a flaw in it. He spammed it because HE HAD NOTHING LEFT to use. He didn't keep using it so shiraishi could counter it. Thats not what fuji had in mind. Fuji only wanted to win, and he trusted in his new technique. By spamming it like that, Shiraishi developed a counter for it.

    The same can be said about atobe and sanada. Atobe will keep using world of ice, but that will be his downfall. That is all atobe has to beat sanada. What happens if Sanada breaks thought that technique? Back to square one. 4-0.


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    i think sanada was dominating atobe, because atobe was trying to perfect his new skill, so he let him dominate, because he believed that to perfect the world of ice, he has to practice it against a strong opponent..

    what he did was the same thing ryoma did in the ova when ryoma tried to perfect his, i think it's called twist tornado serve or something..

    i'm not saying that atobe can dominate sanada easily.. it's just that if he's playing really serious, the gap won't be 4-0

    so what if atobe only has the world of ice.. i know that Sanada is one of the best, but world of ice isn't exactly the easiest technique to counter.. i believe what Yukimura said, if this match continues, Sanada will lose

    Ryoma has a lot of experience in tennis, especially being able to learn tennis from his dad who is 'the best' tennis player in PoT.. that's why Ryoma has more chance of beating the world of ice..

    well.. that's my point of view anyway..

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    Sanada is weak. (okay not really weak but not national-level) His strenght (without FuuRinKaZan) is at the same level as Ryoma (without SOSA) or maybe a little bit above (okay maybe a little bit below considering Cool Drive, Ryoma Zone and Drive C). With FuuRinKaZan he is one level below the current Atobe and Ryoma with SOSA. So unless he really has an hidden ace up his sleeve he is definetly far weaker than Fuji (not considering that FuuRinKaZan is useless against Fuji, since he has no concrete playstyle). I also think that Shiraishi is using a changing playstyle so no FuuRinKaZan against him too (he is no power,data or insight player and he also has nothing in common with Ryoma's playstyle).

    Sanada is thought to be a strong player because he destroys his enemy's playstyle if he can, if not he need's to depend on SOSA, so against players like Fuji he is about as strong as Kirihara (and Fuji defeated him being blind...)

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    Blind Fuji only pwned because without his sight, his sixth sense took over and the processing power his brain had got put into other functions [ie: moving to the ball and being extra accurate].

    Sanada is far from being weak. In terms of the available arsenal he has, he never goes all out... ever. He only uses one of his four Fuu Rin Ka Zan against people (Ryoma was an exception), and he only wnt into Muga near the end of the match, whereas Ryoma was in it from the beginning.

    Ryoma's best technique, the Cool Drive, requires Muga no Kyouchi to use (at least... that's what I figure from the Sanada match). Also, Ryoma used all the drives he could [except C... cause that'd be kinda gay, I guess], used Muga as much as he could, and has the only purely unreturnable shot in the series. Sanada, on the other hand, held back on his Fuu Rin Ka Zan, only used his Muga at the end (and it didn't seem like he used it all too long, either), and ... um... that's it.

    @Fayte: So... Fuji had nothing else left, huh? What about his Triple Counters 2.0? None of them were returned by Shiraishi, either. The only difference in the Triple Counters 2.0 and the Gatekeeper of Hekatoncheires would be that you [he] could use the gatekeeper whenever he wanted [off a serve, forehand, etc.].

    In a serious match, I doubt Atobe would have done as well as to have beaten Sanada. Granted, the only evidence we have of Atobe's victory would be Yukimura's proclamation, but Sanada stopped trying to superpwn Atobe and turned it into a stamina war just to tire him out and beat him in every possible way [actual match, tire him out, technique, etc.]. If he had use all four Fuu Rin Ka Zan [cause he only used one against Atobe... showing he thought Ryoma was stronger], Muga, and any other tricks he knew, then the result may have gone the other way.


    BEST PLAYERS [In order of skill tier, IMO]::
    1. Tezuka [as proclamed by Sanada... and this is coming from a guy who's played Yukimuira].

    2. Yukimura / Echizen [we know Echizen's inevitable. Yukimura's only here because, based on how much I think he knows about (his) Muga, I'd say he has enough skill to be here.]

    3. Sanada / Fuji / Shiraishi / Atobe / Tachibana [Fuji kinda did spam Gatekeeper against Shiraishi, so that's why he's still there. And yes, Atobe is in this tier. Tachi's in this group only cause he pwns and hasn't ever played all out... EVER!!!]

    4. Akaya / Inui , Renji / Chitose / Eiji ?? [Yes... Eiji is in this. Not sure how he'd do, but this is how I see it.]
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