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    Gray_Zero is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
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    Quote Originally Posted by d.A.
    Yes it's just a lob. Since Oishi hits the ball after it bounces calling it a half volley is technically incorrect. Also, both normal lob and forehand strokes naturally generate topsin. The amount of topspin is dependant on the arm velocity as it brushes upward on the ball and the grip of the user. The hardest part about that shot is aiming for and successfully hitting the opposite baseline. Even the best tennis professionals can't hit the back baseline consistantly during practice, much less during an actual game.
    dude do u actually know what a volley is, for your information a volley is a type of shot where u hit the ball before it touches the ground, why the hell didnt they just call it moon lob, A half volley in tennis is a shot that is hit immediately after the ball bounces. The player who is hitting the half volley should take not a full backswing, but still follow through. The grip for this shot is a standard continental. Also, staying down when hitting the shot is very important, or else it will go long. This is the basic form for the volley, hence the name: half volley. The two parts of the tennis court where this shot is generally used are on the baseline and the service line
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    Okay, firstly let me correct a incomplete sentence within one of my earlier posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by d.A.
    Since Oishi doesn't hit the ball right after it bounces calling it a half volley is technically incorrect.
    Now..


    What is a volley?

    You said it yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Zero
    a volley is a type of shot where u hit the ball before it touches the ground
    But I will expand that definition even further.

    Volley – The volley is to be used in net play and occasionally on low lobs. The basic form is a forward jab with a racquet in your hand in an open stance while stepping forward with the foot that is the same orientation as your hand. (I.E. Left hand volley equals left foot forward.) Common mistakes include an angled racquet face and forgetting to step forward. A more advanced volley adds backspin by either slightly tilting the racquet head back or by adding a slice motion to the forward jab. Bending your knees during a volley also helps to add precision as well as power to your shot. The volley form can also be used on a slow high bouncing ball that just bounced but it is technically not considered a volley.

    What is a half volley?

    Once again you are right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Zero
    A half volley in tennis is a shot that is hit immediately after the ball bounces.
    Though I’ll expand that further as well.

    Half Volley – The half volley, like the volley, emphasizes ball placement but it also incorporates the low bounce of a standard topspin groundstroke by brushing the ball upwards while it is on the rise right after a bounce. It is to be used as an offensive weapon on net approaches and occasionally on net play along the service line and defensively against shots that are too short for a normal volley and too far back to hit a full or shortened ground stroke. The basic form is a small backswing from the standard ready position, it doesn't matter if you use a closed or open stance, followed by a gentle fluid swing forward. Keys to a good half volley form include making sure the backswing isn't large enough to make the racquet go further behind you then your shoulder and that the racquet does not cross over your shoulder on the follow through of the swing. In clock-face terms, the backswing doesn't exceed 3 o'clock and the follow through doesn't exceed 12 o'clock. A big distinction between the half volley and the shortened groundstroke is that for the half volley the racquet must remain level or above the waist.


    We agree on that much. Although…

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Zero
    The grip for this shot is a standard continental.
    I disagree with your grip specification for the half volley. Some tennis players do use the forehand continental grip but it is not limited to that. A variety of grips can be used to hit the half volley. The hammer grip is becoming more and more common nowadays and the ever enigmatic western grip can also be used if you have a strong durable wrist. I personally use a semi-western grip for half volleys.

    Now that that's settled, and I hopefully have proven that I am at least a bit knowedgeable in the sport of tennis, let's return to the main arguement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Zero
    dude its not just a lob, its an extremely hard to do half volley added with topspin which is then hit upwards like a lob
    The moon volley is a half volley?

    This is where I highly disagree.

    It is depicted in both the anime and the manga (but even more so in the anime) that Oishi doesn’t hit his moon volley right after the bounce but rather when it is near the peak height after the bounce, that rules out the moon volley from being technically called a half volley. It’s not a volley. It’s not a half volley. That leaves it as a groundstroke.

    Lob - The lob is a stroke that is hits the ball high in the air in an attempt to hit the ball over the opponents head when he/she is at the net or as a change of pace shot when the opponent is at the baseline. The lob naturally generates topspin from the way the racquet brushes the ball when done with the lowered and compacted The form varies from which position the lob is being hit from but does include few generic key points: a small backstroke in order to decrease the chance of error, not relying on your arm to generate power to bring the ball higher, and a steady wrist to keep the motion of the racquet stable. My personal tip for performing a lob is that the backstroke should not exceed the 3 o’clock position. Even better make it in between 2 o’clock and 3 o’clock. While the typical form of a lob is topspin, a backspin lob can also be done by performing a “J” motion rather than the typical motion. However, the backspin lob has a much higher chance for error and is extremely hard to generate high altitude with. The backspin lob is more casually used as a shot with the hope that your opponent will perform an unforced error or as an alternative to a deep slice to allow you to approach the net.

    Now that it’s been established that the moon volley is not a volley.
    And that the moon volley is not a half volley.
    And that a lob naturally has topspin.
    And that strokes meant to hit balls high are called lobs.


    We can come to the conclusion that...

    The moon volley is just a high lob.

    Why is it called moon volley then?

    Moon volley is more aesthetically pleasing then moon lob. Aural stimulation sounds like a good reason.
    Last edited by d.A.; 08-26-2006 at 04:19 PM.

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    wow u know a lot about tennis too, i'll agree with u this time
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