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    pentaelemental is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Cool {Sanji} vs [Zoro]

    The more you look at them, the more you realize they are the two sides of the same coin.

    Discuss.

    Let me start off.
    Sanji holds the ideology of the Western Knight. Zoro holds the ideology of the Eastern Samurai.



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    Shamgi is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Incorrect. Once again, Zoro has nothing against women either way, he's clearly capable of fighting them full out(face it, if there wasn't the no death rule in One Piece, some of those bounty hunters would be dead).

    Zoro is a swordsmen, and he'll fight anyone and anything in his way, male, female, or child. It's easy to forget he's known as a heartless bounty hunter, but that's exacty what he is known for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamgi
    face it, if there wasn't the no death rule in One Piece, some of those bounty hunters would be dead
    Was that rule from the Cartoon Network version? Because in chapter 217, Smoker says Zolo killed 100 bounty hunters at Whisky Mountain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abbad0n
    Was that rule from the Cartoon Network version? Because in chapter 217, Smoker says Zolo killed 100 bounty hunters at Whisky Mountain.
    They said he beat, not killed. And in general, nobody ever seems to die, so unless it specifically says killed, they aren't dead. But it's likely they did die, and Zoro's the most likely killer.

    If they did say killed, my point stands even more.
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    abbad0n is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    Hmmm...

    Not in the scanlation I got from here. Maybe you read a different translation or are lucky enough to know moon language? (Wish I was, but I appear to be monolingual since I've failed at every other language besides english I tried to learn.)

    Anyway, up to now, only the peons or minor side characters have disappeared with no knowledge if they died or not, or really died (after all Buggy killed one of his crew members in chapter 9 with a canon).

    As for your point, yes he is heartless, except where Tashigi is involved... for obvious reasons.
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    I know that atleast one apanese word that means kill, can mean defeated in combat, not sure if that's relavent, since I can't read Japanese, and just have some knowledge of the spoken word

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    Quote Originally Posted by abbad0n
    Hmmm...

    Not in the scanlation I got from here. Maybe you read a different translation or are lucky enough to know moon language? (Wish I was, but I appear to be monolingual since I've failed at every other language besides english I tried to learn.)

    Anyway, up to now, only the peons or minor side characters have disappeared with no knowledge if they died or not, or really died (after all Buggy killed one of his crew members in chapter 9 with a canon).

    As for your point, yes he is heartless, except where Tashigi is involved... for obvious reasons.
    I wouldn't use scanlations as grammatical compass. Vivi, Bebe. Nefertiti, Nefertari. Enel, Eneru. Gorilla, Gareera, Galley-La... you get the point. Until SJ translates, it ain't canon.

    And like Pentamental said, Zoro's basically a samurai. His goal to become the greatest swordfighter in the world and as such, has no need or time for love (...Mr. Jones.) until he completes that goal. Or realizes the impossibility of such a goal.

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    abbad0n is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    As long as SJ doesn't snip, cut, edit the story into something horrible. However until they do, I don't have anything but the scanlations to go by. (Anyone able to read the context from the raws? Anyone?)

    Zoro didn't love Kuina (to young and a rival), but he did share an emotional connection to her that pains him everytime he sees Tashigi. Which is why it's amusing to see him avoid her (no it isn't love, but other emotions are definitly present), since she distracts from his goal. Can't wait to see what happens when Zoro is unable to avoid Tashigi next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santoryu
    I wouldn't use scanlations as grammatical compass. Vivi, Bebe. Nefertiti, Nefertari. Enel, Eneru. Gorilla, Gareera, Galley-La... you get the point. Until SJ translates, it ain't canon.

    And like Pentamental said, Zoro's basically a samurai. His goal to become the greatest swordfighter in the world and as such, has no need or time for love (...Mr. Jones.) until he completes that goal. Or realizes the impossibility of such a goal.
    What we're talking about doesn't relate to how he is as a fighter, but how he is as a person who deals with women.

    In that respect, he's not a samurai.

    And I have to say that SJ has done some of the more interesting dialog, since they seem to understand better than the subbers that the most important thing to get across is the idea of the moment, not what's specifically being said.
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    Well, I was just pointing out my thoughts that Zoro, as someone who, with the exception of Luffy, is the most determined person on the strawhat crew, doesn't seem to give a damn about women because his single-minded goal almost excludes their presence in his life. Because of this, he deals with women as he'd deal with humanity in general, with the possible exception of Tashigi. Compared to Sanji, whose goals in life are All Blue and Women (or is that the other way around), Zoro comes off as a he-man womyn-hater.

    Luffy's almost in the same boat as Zoro. As long as they don't stand in his way of becoming the Pirate King, Luffy doesn't give a damn about the opposite sex.

    And off-topic, I think Zoro's a samurai because of his closeness to Luffy. He's essentially Luffy's retainer and his actions have been rather indicative of someone who has studied Bushido. At least in my eyes.

 

 
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