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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaelemental
    The weakness of electricity as an energy is that it needs a specific medium to conduct it. Heat conducts in any medium, including no medium.
    Ace does not create heat, he creates fire. Heat is different from fire and I believe fire requires oxygen. Though since it's an anime, anything is fucking possible.

    If you are going to apply some laws of physics/thermodynamics (or whatever!) then it is pointless to argue about fire vs. lightning. Animes are crazy and unpredictable. Questions like these keep One Piece fanatics up all night! xD

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    if u talk about mediums, heat is conducted through oxygen while electrycity doesn't need any medium at all (in vacuum, light travels at 300,000?km/s)

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    Quote Originally Posted by parkandres
    if u talk about mediums, heat is conducted through oxygen while electrycity doesn't need any medium at all (in vacuum, light travels at 300,000?km/s)
    Electricity isn't light, and it isn't simply moving electrons. In fact electrons flying through a vacuum is a totally differrent type of movement than electricity.
    Heat conducted through oxygen? Ever heard of infrared?
    However, Ace isn't heat, he's fire, and fire needs oxygen. So yeah Ace needs air.
    Still, Eneru can't really hurt Ace in anyway.
    Ice melts, but it melts slow, ohterwise it just explodes. Fire dies out almost instantly when chilled. Thus, Aokiji will outlast Ace in that fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaelemental
    Heat conducted through oxygen? Ever heard of infrared?
    However, Ace isn't heat, he's fire, and fire needs oxygen. So yeah Ace needs air.
    Still, Eneru can't really hurt Ace in anyway.
    Ice melts, but it melts slow, ohterwise it just explodes. Fire dies out almost instantly when chilled. Thus, Aokiji will outlast Ace in that fight.
    Infared is light and has nothing to do with conduction.

    Fire isn't energy or light its superheated gas, lightning is electrified plasma.

    And Ice melts slow under some conditions, i.e. low temperature, I think Ace can sustain high temperatures. Aokiji's weaknesses fire is definitely one of them (salt may be another). When in the presence of their weakness the Logia user can be hurt because their powers are neutralised. Aokiji wouldn't stand a chance unless he doesn't entirely depend on his DF.

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    Well, if you threw a giant piece of ice onto a fire, it'll instantly smother it out. But if you have enough fire, then you can melt away that ice.

    Either way, you can't just be one-sided when arguing about fire and ice (two conflicting elements). Aokiji is an admiral so you have to expect something more than just his fruit(y) powers. xD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbie
    Well, if you threw a giant piece of ice onto a fire, it'll instantly smother it out. But if you have enough fire, then you can melt away that ice.

    Either way, you can't just be one-sided when arguing about fire and ice (two conflicting elements). Aokiji is an admiral so you have to expect something more than just his fruit(y) powers. xD

    but ace is a super tight pirate

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    Quote Originally Posted by redsliver
    Infared is light and has nothing to do with conduction.

    Fire isn't energy or light its superheated gas, lightning is electrified plasma.

    And Ice melts slow under some conditions, i.e. low temperature, I think Ace can sustain high temperatures. Aokiji's weaknesses fire is definitely one of them (salt may be another). When in the presence of their weakness the Logia user can be hurt because their powers are neutralised. Aokiji wouldn't stand a chance unless he doesn't entirely depend on his DF.
    I don't really see any opposition in your counterargument.
    Infrared isn't light, but it is electromagnetic radiation. You wouldn't call radiowaves light would you?
    However, infrared signals are emitted from heat, so that's how they're connected.
    Also, fire isn't superheated gas, that's plasma. Fire is just radiant gas from combustion. Okay, it's a little superheated, but it's not truely plasma.
    Aokiji's not weak to salt or fire. He froze the ocean. And ice destroys fire when it melts. Thus, Aokiji just needs to become a block of ice, then Ace would lose against him. It's not like Aokiji's afraid of melting.

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    ehm, what about this, if ace turns REALLY hot and melts the ice, he can also turn the water that becmes of the ice into steam, isnt that right, so ace just needs to become a REALLY warm fire
    Time passes, People move...
    Like a river's flow, it never ends...
    A Childish mind will turn to noble ambition...
    Young love will become deep affection...
    The clear water's surface reflect's growth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayato_kamina
    we dont know how hot ace can get, also, if ao kiji's fruit is ice, i think turning to water will in fact mean he's dead.
    If Aokiji was merely the power of cold, then he would definitely die. No one knows the nature of Aokiji's power, since all we've seen is his ability to freeze everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaelemental
    I don't really see any opposition in your counterargument.
    Infrared isn't light, but it is electromagnetic radiation. You wouldn't call radiowaves light would you?
    However, infrared signals are emitted from heat, so that's how they're connected.
    Also, fire isn't superheated gas, that's plasma. Fire is just radiant gas from combustion. Okay, it's a little superheated, but it's not truely plasma.
    Aokiji's not weak to salt or fire. He froze the ocean. And ice destroys fire when it melts. Thus, Aokiji just needs to become a block of ice, then Ace would lose against him. It's not like Aokiji's afraid of melting.
    Yes I have referred to and will continue to refer to all EMR (visible and invisible) as light.

    Plasma is any fluid with electrons dissociated from nuclei, flames are superheated (I.E. not saturated or about to condense into liquid) gas, I know this, because Chemical engineering is my field. (There are 6 [arguably 7] phases of matter: gas, liquid, solid, plasma, superfluids, einstein boson condensates [and liquid crystal or glass])

    Aokiji is Ice. Enel is lighting when he was hit with rubber he was human. Crocodile is sand when he was hit with water he was human. Aokiji is Ice if he was hit with fire he'd be human, I never said salt would work for certain, just that it was a possibility. Ace is fire, if he was hit with water he'd be human as well.

 

 
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