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    pentaelemental is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    The 3 best fruits tie in my opinion. Mera Mera, Goro Goro, and Hie Hie.
    If Doflamingo's power is DF based, then that's really powerful against weak minds; however, it's not that useful against strong villains who slay their underlings anyway.
    Moku moku is good but I'm not sure what powers Oda has in mind for smoke.
    I guess DF power depends on the user, so suna suna is really cool too if the sand can crystalize to glass (so water can't weaken it)
    DF's are awesome toys for the creative mind.
    Last edited by pentaelemental; 03-11-2006 at 11:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaelemental
    HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

    Why argue seriously? I said that I was playing.
    You are the one who's being technical with "this is an anime". I'm just playing with my imagination.

    Also, you were the one trying to reason that Luffy was immune to lightning and not Aokiji, which was a physics based reason.

    Learn to chill.
    WHo said I was having a serious arguement?

    Luffy is immune to lightning, and is not immune to ice. Physics means about shit.

    Saying that it's an anime is not being technical, it's stating a simple fact. Reasoning that Luffy is not "immune" to lightning by bringing up a set of laws that basically say "Yea, he's not really immune, but just about." is.

    Even if you're joking, learn the ability to make a capable arguement.

    Besides, who said I was mad? My hobby just happens to be telling like you how dumb their arguement is.

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    pentaelemental is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Ok wise guy. I've been playing nice, but you just pushed the wrong buttons pal!

    You aren't even arguing!

    You're just making excuses to try to look cool.

    Physics not mean shit? J00 PHa1L!

    People's imaginations are bosed on what they know. Their imaginations generally grow larger the wider their knowledge is. So knowing physics and imagining interesting theories with it is nothing wrong, in fact, it's GOOD!

    Eneru's able to crack and burn trees, break stone, yada yada. So it's evidently that he can burn insulators like rubber. Rubber fruit may help Luffy out a lot because he is made of rubber, or Luffy's spirit makes the rubber stronger. Either way, Eneru was not stronger than Luffy. Aokiji is stronger than Luffy, so his ice penetrated his rubber. Rubber is resistant to ice and cold. It's been used as insulating in clothing, roofs, engine parts, blankets, tires (duh), shoes (duh again), mats, baseball, etc. It's so versatile because of its tough insulating properties, its toughness, its flexibility and tension/stress resistance, its friction, and it's ease of manufacture. A normal person with ice powers can't hurt Luffy. Even the harsh winter of Drum Island couldn't kill him. He's a tough guy and Aokiji beat him without a sweat (as if he could sweat). Aokiji > Luffy > Eneru.

    Oh yeah. Your hobby makes you lower than shit, you sewage slime scum bacteria.

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    Jeez man chill you guys there is no need to get personal you both make good points but your just killing the thread by insulting each other, its alright having a heated debate but this is going a bit further than that now.

    And I don't think there is one single greatest devil fruit I think they all have their advantages and disadvantages for instance the suna suna fruit can be beaten by using water against it and Eneru's fruit has a weakness likewise in which it cannot beat someone who is immune to lightning such as a rubberman with lightning based attacks. But both fruits could be more powerful than other DF's like Zoan type in which their main strength is physical attacks.

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    Shamgi is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaelemental
    Ok wise guy. I've been playing nice, but you just pushed the wrong buttons pal!

    You aren't even arguing!

    You're just making excuses to try to look cool.

    Physics not mean shit? J00 PHa1L!

    People's imaginations are bosed on what they know. Their imaginations generally grow larger the wider their knowledge is. So knowing physics and imagining interesting theories with it is nothing wrong, in fact, it's GOOD!

    Eneru's able to crack and burn trees, break stone, yada yada. So it's evidently that he can burn insulators like rubber. Rubber fruit may help Luffy out a lot because he is made of rubber, or Luffy's spirit makes the rubber stronger. Either way, Eneru was not stronger than Luffy. Aokiji is stronger than Luffy, so his ice penetrated his rubber. Rubber is resistant to ice and cold. It's been used as insulating in clothing, roofs, engine parts, blankets, tires (duh), shoes (duh again), mats, baseball, etc. It's so versatile because of its tough insulating properties, its toughness, its flexibility and tension/stress resistance, its friction, and it's ease of manufacture. A normal person with ice powers can't hurt Luffy. Even the harsh winter of Drum Island couldn't kill him. He's a tough guy and Aokiji beat him without a sweat (as if he could sweat). Aokiji > Luffy > Eneru.

    Oh yeah. Your hobby makes you lower than shit, you sewage slime scum bacteria.
    You're complicating things that do not need to be complicated.

    Lightning does not work on Luffy.

    Ice works on Luffy.

    It's as simple as that. You can't apply real world physics to an anime because the anime breaks the laws of physics, dozens of times at the least. It's a given that the rules of the world in One Piece are different that the rules in our world, trying to apply one to the other is pointless.

    If the physics of our world applied, Zoro could not be as strong as he is, Luffy could not stretch as much as he does(ever notice how no matter how far he stretches, his arms never constrict? It's almost like his arms are actually getting longer) and countless other examples could simply not happen.

    You're taking a set of rules and attempting to apply them in a selective manner, rendering your entire arguement flawed and pointless. Technically, Eneru can turn himself into electricty, enter the body, and alter the beat of the heart, killing the opponent instantly and with no chance to dodge(he'd be done and over with by the time even another logia user mentally processed the attempt to turn to their element), and short of Luffy, no one would be immune to this. So basically Eneru is the most powerful being we'll ever see in One Piece, because he can kill any character in the series with a single action.

    Beyond that, Eneru's strength was made clear. He beat Sanji in seconds, beat Zoro, Robin, and the other two with almost no effort on his part, and had the power to destroy an entire island. He was meant to be so overpowered that you honestly wondered how Luffy was going to deal with an opponent such as him. The key point to the reason that Luffy could beat Eneru was that his power was completly useless as an offense, the main way Eneru fought.

    To sum it up, Eneru's designed to be absurbly powerful for the sake of a dramatic battle, and Luffy's immunity was also designed for that. Physics has no part in being compared here, because it was never considered into the mechanics, beyond rubber being resistant to electricty.

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    You are wrong. If someone is wearing a isolated suit or is a isolator himself then there is no way he can enter his body. Plus powerful logia users can be faster than him and turn themselves into their element before he gets in them. Fire doesn't conduct electricity, it's not even material...
    Fight or die!!!!!!

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    Not the best choice for a first post, but I would have to agree with Shamgi's arguments. If someone is going to apply physics to a manga/anime(stupid to begin with), you must apply it to everything;the physics of elasticity, leverage, and beyond. As opposed to applying selectively to help a flimsy argument.

    Also, I wouldn't imagine someone who is "just playing" to be bringing up technicalities such as physics into a discussion about a manga, or resorting to childish name calling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pentaelemental
    Aokiji would totally own Eneru. He's like 30 lvls above him! (kinda thinking Eneru lvl 60; Aokiji lvl 90, WOW lvl scale)
    neway...
    here's how it goes.
    Eneru: (thinking) My mantra tells me this guy is strong. Really strong. But I'm God.
    Eneru does a giant lightning attack
    Eneru: 200 million volts. Maximum Power "Thunder God!"
    It hits Aokiji cuz he's too lazy to move... and he's sleeping. Aokiji wakes up and grunts grumpily.
    Ao: "you woke up from my nap".
    Eneru: "...Aren't you, like, dead yet?"
    Ao: "Tch. With that half-assed lightning bolt? I guess I'll have to show you how much of an ass you are. This is how DF is used on the Blue Seas. ICE ARTIC WIND!"
    The air around Aokiji and Eneru freezes instantly. The ice breaks and leaves two ice statues. Aokiji turns himself back to human. Eneru stays a statue with a screaming face.
    Ao: "Idiots like you make me puke. Die"
    Aokiji flicks the statue with his finger. Eneru shatters.
    Winner: Aokiji
    that made me laugh so bad... , try yourself as mangaka :P
    PS: ICEAGE!...
    Last edited by dekciw; 03-12-2006 at 04:58 AM.

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    the best fruit would be the own own fruit, allows you to own any of your opponents with just one word...
    Time passes, People move...
    Like a river's flow, it never ends...
    A Childish mind will turn to noble ambition...
    Young love will become deep affection...
    The clear water's surface reflect's growth.

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    pentaelemental is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamgi
    You're complicating things that do not need to be complicated.

    Lightning does not work on Luffy.

    Ice works on Luffy.

    It's as simple as that. You can't apply real world physics to an anime because the anime breaks the laws of physics, dozens of times at the least. It's a given that the rules of the world in One Piece are different that the rules in our world, trying to apply one to the other is pointless.

    If the physics of our world applied, Zoro could not be as strong as he is, Luffy could not stretch as much as he does(ever notice how no matter how far he stretches, his arms never constrict? It's almost like his arms are actually getting longer) and countless other examples could simply not happen.

    You're taking a set of rules and attempting to apply them in a selective manner, rendering your entire arguement flawed and pointless. Technically, Eneru can turn himself into electricty, enter the body, and alter the beat of the heart, killing the opponent instantly and with no chance to dodge(he'd be done and over with by the time even another logia user mentally processed the attempt to turn to their element), and short of Luffy, no one would be immune to this. So basically Eneru is the most powerful being we'll ever see in One Piece, because he can kill any character in the series with a single action.

    Beyond that, Eneru's strength was made clear. He beat Sanji in seconds, beat Zoro, Robin, and the other two with almost no effort on his part, and had the power to destroy an entire island. He was meant to be so overpowered that you honestly wondered how Luffy was going to deal with an opponent such as him. The key point to the reason that Luffy could beat Eneru was that his power was completly useless as an offense, the main way Eneru fought.

    To sum it up, Eneru's designed to be absurbly powerful for the sake of a dramatic battle, and Luffy's immunity was also designed for that. Physics has no part in being compared here, because it was never considered into the mechanics, beyond rubber being resistant to electricty.
    Why does lightning work on Luffy? Why does ice? I have my own theory and my own opinions and you have yours.

    The reason I'm mad is not that you are trying to debunk my theory.

    I'm mad because you're attempting to nullify my right of speech, opinion, and intellectual property. I don't care about your ideas and opinions. I care that you don't even give a fucking thought about my theories before you say some stupid shit about it and blabber on like a mindless retard.

    I know I am stupid myself sometimes. I know that because I reflect back on my own actions and words. Sometimes people who are potentially smart are blindsided by their ego and can't give ideas other than their own a second thought. You see this in politics, religion, science, engineering, normal everyday speech. We are humans. If we all had the capacity to be completely open-minded everyone of us would be Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Confucius, etc. Maybe we have the potential, but it has to be unlocked or something. I don't know. I can only believe and trust my instincts as long as I don't know. I hope you understand.

    Edit: You have a point about Luffy only have some of the realistic rubber resistances to elememts. But since physics doesn't appy to you're view, can you tell me what you think about Aokiji vs. Eneru. Don't just say Eneru wins just cuz. At least make a plausible scenario. I'll stick with my Ao beat Luffy because Ao's stronger, and Luffy beat Eneru because Luffy's stronger, however.
    Last edited by pentaelemental; 03-12-2006 at 11:06 AM.

 

 
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