Why is Ace dying a bad thing? Yes they came all the way to save him and yes WB is sacrificing himself but the way all of this played out is kinda realistic (for a manga). Yes it's a giant faliure on the pirates side but why is that retarded? It just means they lost and WG won and it gives interesting plotmaterial and motivation to Luffy. On that notice I also thought Luffy beating garp and saving Ace was a good thing (even though sengok acted like a retarded turtle) since Garp could clearly have beat Luffy but chose not to. It just showed that Luffy is still to weak and got lucky. It was the best storyline I could think of.
Well we sill still have to see if he actually dies.....
-Whale....Lion...? ....no..hmmm...elephant?......fish? ....Mom what do I have again?