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    x20a is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
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    I would quote all the arguments I want to refute, but it's easier not to, so...

    @Everyone who says WB was the main target: Why? Why would the WG, after stabilizing their reign over almost all of the world, go after WB now? Why? He's old, and he's going to die eventually; most of the people around the world don't even fear WB anymore (except those who live near grand line and the new world). WB's just a legend now; he cannot do any harm, nor would he unless provoked. So then why go after WB? Dragon is the only one fighting the WG head on, not WB. Going after Ace for WB would be like saying going after Luffy for Dragon. However, the WG didn't go after Luffy when his father is the greatest terrorist in OP world; yet the WG goes after Ace who's "father" is and old, dying man?

    Doesn't really make sense, does it? Going after WB would inspire a new era, just like when they went after Roger - and that seems to be the last thing anyone in the WG wants right now. So, it raises the question; Why? Why would the WG willingly fight WB after all this time? Even while showing such hesitation and having the knowledge that facing WB could potentially wipe the marines and shichibukai out (thus destorying the WG), why would they do it? It's not like one day, Sengoku and the Goryusei were like

    "Hey we're bored right? fighting dragon is boring... lets go face WB. It'll be like a match of starcraft; our zerg rush vs their protoss fleet. Any one wanna make a bet of who wins?"

    Seriously, it doesn't make any sense. The only reason they would be willing to fight WB would be if they had NO OTHER OPTION. The significance of this battle isn't the start of a new era, it's the fear the WG still retains from Roger. They were that fucking scared of another Roger appearing that they would face WB who was protecting Ace. If they wanted WB, they would've just zerg rushed him years ago. But no, they didn't, because they had no reason to. With Roger dead, WB would have no one to battle on the seas, fights on the seas would decrease, less civilian casualties, the WG gets the closest thing to peace they could possibly obtain.

    BUT THEN THEY FOUND OUT ACE IS ROGER'S SON AND ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE.

    "FUCK PEACE, WE NEED TO KILL ACE. WE NEED TO END ROGER'S BLOOD LINE."

    So they promoted someone who they knew Ace was after (BB), and used him to catch Ace (thus, indirectly, catching Ace themselves). Then they broadcast his death just like they did Roger's, so that the entire world can see their triumph. They set a concrete time, because that's how all major public executions are held (Saddam Hussein any one?). Thus, the WG did what ever they could to kill Ace at that alotted time, so that they could end Roger's reign over them;

    -They brought their entire force to stall the battle with WB
    -They started a rumor saying that they would kill Ace ahead of time to disrupt WB's tactics, as it would lead him to rush and end up defeated
    -Aikinu (or w/e) used squid to attack WB so that they could stall longer
    -The Kuma Brigade was used take out all the small fry that would get in the WG's way; thus eliminating majority of WB's offensive power
    -They raise the gates to trap WB so that he wouldn't be able to get to Ace
    -Then they kill Ace and WB (since they had to kill the latter once they started a battle with him)

    Thus, again, the main target was, and always will be, Ace - or rather, it was Roger. Come to think of it, it was always Roger. Roger's blood. Roger's son. Roger's legacy. To defeat the Pirate King once and for all, the WG would sacrifice everything. In the end, Ace and WB were insignificant. It was really just Roger's Era vs The World Government.

    And the World Government lost. They lost to Roger's will. In the end, all they accomplished was the death of a lot of insignificant men and women, the death of a yonkou, and their image tarnished forever since they couldn't kill Roger's son.

    and so beings the new era...

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    Quote Originally Posted by x20a View Post
    And the World Government lost. They lost to Roger's will. In the end, all they accomplished was the death of a lot of insignificant men and women, the death of a yonkou, and their image tarnished forever since they couldn't kill Roger's son.

    and so beings the new era...
    I had to emphasis that because even in that respect the WG still didn't gain anything because as you said WB was old and dying anyways but due to his sacrifice and final greatest offensive the WG now somewhat have 2 great upcoming Yonkou to deal with in Luffy and Ace. Ace because he's Gol. D's son and one of WB's very own and Luffy because he, lead the first succefull massive prison break, competed with WB and saved Ace!! As Mihawk and Akainu foreshadowed, Luffy's Bloodline, determination and ability to rally a crowd is highly dangerous for the WG. So in effect Luffy would be considered a lil, very little but still, of a Yonkou himself!

    The WG just fucked themself

    "He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"

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    ^Oh i meant it as they didn't accomplish anything but losses on their side.

    As for Ace and Luffy, I think they're still far off from gaining that title. Ace and Luffy may be strong in their own rights, but in comparison to WB (who was able to kick that much ass while being on death's door), Shanks, Kaidou, and the 4th, those two aren't much. Granted they're still young, and they will definitely surpass others eventually; but as for right now... yeah, idk, i don't think they can compare.

    The Yonkou all have age and experience.

    Ace may be Roger's son, but he still has a long way to go. Roger was around 35ish or something when he became the Pirate King (or at least he looked it). Ace is still in his early 20s.

    As for Luffy, in the end, he required the help of a lot of people to break out of impel down. There's no way he could've done it on his own. For leading the assault, it boosts his rep, but the fact that he didn't do it alone (unlike Shiki, who was basically as strong as a Yonkou), is what sets him apart from the Yonkou. Also, although he said he'd compete with WB, Luffy got his ass severly handed to him; it wasn't much of a competition as it was just normal shounen-esque cliche. And saving Ace, he still needed everyone's help, but again, it boosts his rep.

    So, I would say that although they are both very high tier pirates, they are still far away from reaching the strength of a Yonkou. However, if they were to master their Haoshoku Haki, it's very likely that they'd be Yonkou Level.

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    I agree for the most part except for

    "Hey we're bored right? fighting dragon is boring... lets go face WB. It'll be like a match of starcraft; our zerg rush vs their protoss fleet. Any one wanna make a bet of who wins?"
    Zerg ARE dominating Protoss (at least in the pro-scene right now), so it would make sense to use Zerg rushes kekekeke.

    Another thing to add about Ace's priority would be his existence. Right after Gol Roger's death, the Marines went through a frenzy searching for Ace as a baby. The fact that they didn't manage to find Ace and kill him then, and killing many other babies that could have been him, is a major disgrace to the WG.

    I think if they captured Nico Robin, she would have gotten a major televised execution as well, only not as many guards since she's not as connected as Ace is.

    Good Times

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    Idk about Robin. I think they'd actually wanna keep that on the dl, since they censored up the Ohara incident. People don't really know what Robin's bounty is for, since knowing that would mean having knowledge of the Ohara's search for info on the Void Century.

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    Yeah, the WG most likely won't announce the real reason for killing Robin, but the people that know about the polyglyphs would definitely know the reason why Robin is wanted and why she is being executed.

    Good Times

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    !!!Chapter 573!!!

    Just, w00000t o.0
    Now, this really is...surprising? Is Ace really gonna die?

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    Nah... if he died now... nah... that's just retarded. to come and save ace, then ace dies, wb dies, um... nah... as long as ivankov is there, he can heal Ace. I do think that Luffy is gonna go Gohan Rage or something.

    Good chapter.

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    Nah Ace shouldn't die, he IS dying at a rapid rate though, since his card isn't all the way burnt off yet. And if he does die then im not gonna care too much cause its his f**king hot headed temperament that got him and everyone else in this trouble to begin with. Just like when everyone warned him not to go after BB the same thing is happened to him against Akainu. Just like sqaurdo he's being manipulated by Lava man's small talk. He better not die!

    "He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"

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    I think we gonna see the awakening of the *haki of the chosen one* in the next chapter. Akainu is sooo gonna get his arse pwn by Luffy.

 

 

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