02-01-2010, 02:23 AM
I lol'ed for the last two page I read (well I don't read ALL of it of course, who does anyway? ^^ )
you guys, are WAAY too serious ^^
02-01-2010, 06:12 AM
First it was physics, now it's logic and proof theorem. Of all the available subforums, how is it that the One Piece forum is the one that attracts these kinds of arguments? lol
Originally Posted by edo_shehb
02-01-2010, 11:03 AM
02-01-2010, 11:29 AM
Because, strange as it may seem, some people enjoy thinking about stuff.
And on a related note, it is darkly amusing that certain other people see the need to bitch and complain that the level of the discourse is too high. It is somewhat telling.
And to get back on topic, I have the following thoughts so far. First of all, we know that the WG must have known that WB would show up to try and stop Ace's execution. If the WG simply wanted to make a point, why not announce the execution as a surprise move? Why not inform the press a day or two before the execution, or why not tape it yourself and broadcast it over the world if you simply wanted to make a point in killing off Gold Roger's last relative on camera?
Instead, the WG deliberately waited long enough that WB had time to react. Now, the WG aren't stupid, so we must assume that they knew that WB had time to try and counter the execution. Why leave WB the opportunity to interfere if the purpose simply was to make aforementioned point?
No, everything points to the conclusion that the WG picked this fight. They chose the battlefield and left WB enough time to get there, while the Marines and Shichibukai concentrated their power to oppose WB. This might simply be a precaution, but still the WG had every opportunity to avoid the fight. There is no reason not to avoid the fight if the primary objective simply is to kill off Ace. Instead, they deliberately lured WB into the fight.
Therefore, we must conclude that the WG's objective in this battle is primarily to kill off Whitebeard, with Ace's execution as the secondary objective.
02-01-2010, 12:05 PM
Heh, that's a valid argument. The only thing I have to wonder about is whether there are ways to forge fake videos or even record videos in the One Piece world.
Although, one thing I don't agree with is the whole killing him off early as a surprise tactic. Whitebeard sees Ace already dead or not see him at all in the island and he'll just send waves after waves of tidal waves while the rest of the pirates are underwater, or he'll just smash the island in retaliation.
While Ace may be someone they really want to kill (at least we can agree on this). He is also a very valuable shield. If I recall correctly, the only times they attempted to execute Ace was when there were other pirates on the island to stop Whitebeard from going berserk.
However, giving Whitebeard enough time to react is something I can't argue against. I have no idea how long Ace was captured, I just know it is over seven days. So whether that was the fastest time the Marines could achieve or it was a trap is up in the air for me.
And I admit that I do enjoy thinking more deeply about this manga. It's the same reason why there are people discussing Harry Potter *shudder* and Twilight *shiver* in a deeper level than just a fiction novel. All artists, let it be book authors, movie directors, and manga drawers, enjoy making some political or philosophical statement for the readers to interpret. Stories which tell the absolute goals of both sides in conflict are BORING. They leave nothing to be thought about.
Last edited by Skrymir; 02-01-2010 at 12:12 PM.
02-01-2010, 12:17 PM
Pretty much. The WG could've easily went on the air and tell the world about Ace's history THEN quickly execute him. How hard would it have been for the WG to set up a live televised feed, a day or 2 after BB caught Ace, and say "People of the world it brings me great pleasure as the Fleet Admiral of the WG to announce that we have not only caught the notorious 2nd in command fire fist Ace of the WB pirates but also the only child of the legendary pirate Gol D. Roger!!" then they proceed to execute him. Not hard at all; instead they publicized his execution and sent him to I.D. for a bit. The main reason the execution was so hyped up was because it was the WG's time to shine and wave around their big stick to the world.
Originally Posted by Saizou
When they hyped up Gol D.'s death it's purpose was to deter people from pirating, which was a good plan and would've worked, but it backfired cause they were not expecting Gol to pretty much challenge ALLpirates out there to find his loot (which henceforth encouraged more pirates). This plan was no different because they were expecting the execution to go out without a hitch so that after the deed was done and Ace was dead the people of the world would say "Hey if the WG has the balls to kill one of WB's own then I think its time I sign up for the WG instead of using my skills for piracy".
With that being said I dont 100% think the execution was a ploy to lure WB out but a way to springboard the WG's war on piracy in a GRAND and overly extravagant style, hence they highly publicized his execution and gave the public enough time to prepare. I do believe Sengoku is smart enough to plan ahead and take necessary precautions in the event that WB did show up but deep in the back of his mind im sure he'd prefer it if he hadn't. When WB did arrive Sengoku was freaking the f**k out cause he couldn't believe he'd actually show up but tried to play it cool because he knew he had a few good contingancy plans just in case and he still wanted to show the public that the WG wasn't afraid of pirates and are serious about putting an end to them, even if they were legendary like WB. Sengoku was even so serious about making a statement against pirates that he tried to plant the seed that all pirates are dishonest and selfish, even WB, by having Akainu lie to squardo. He wanted to public to see that but when the truth was being revealed that the WG themselves are the ones worst than the pirates for turning to undermined techniques he feverishly refused to let that fact go out, so he ordered the feed cut.
This whole execution was all for show and Sengoku's plan would've worked but due to some unexpected variables, luffy and his prison crew, even his plans were crushed. Thats my take on the execution... rather than "it was all for Ace" or "it was all for WB" my conclusion is this; the execution's emphasis was greatly based on Ace, as the center piece, but it's motive was to greatly publicize the WG's ambitions!! Its all POLITICS!!
Last edited by krazykwasi; 02-01-2010 at 12:24 PM.
"He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"
02-01-2010, 12:59 PM
02-01-2010, 01:37 PM
It would be funny, and a badass new way to start a brand new pirate Era, if the Gorousei demotes Sengoku for incompetence and making them look bad (Although the WG went along with the plan the blame for this fiasco rest with him). Who knows, if that happens he might even become a great pirate with a crew of loyal followers and later down the line help Luffy take down the Gorousei
Im soo excited at the posibilities for the rest of this Manga. Luffy and his crew were just about to enter the grand line so his main journey is only just about to begin!! "M'm! M'm! Good!"
"He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"
02-01-2010, 05:21 PM
I'm not sure if you were referring to me, but if so, I don't have a problem with scientific discussion (I took part in the diamond/physics one after all). I have a problem when it looks like one person is putting another person and their opinions down with a high-and-mighty attitude. It felt like this discussion was going that way.
Originally Posted by Saizou
02-01-2010, 10:22 PM
Well I'm have problem with reading more than 3 paragraph with more than 5 lines in each of it, I'm here for the laughin not for the essay ^^
Originally Posted by MadDogMike
but hei, that just me, you guys can go on talkin bout scientific, logic, theoretical-fact-proofing-stuff all the time you like, don't mind me, we're in the whole different intellectual level afterall.....
come to think bout it, that's me luffy and you guys are..., are..., VEGAPUNK! ^^
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