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    R3dKnight is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    diamonds can transparent /reflect light
    the only way to break diamonds is to heat it to high temperature and then suddenly cool it

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    ^ internal consistency =/= laws of physics in the real world.
    Logic in a manga/comic can be different from the real ones (because itīs the authors world and HIS rules).
    So if Oda would say that Ice in One Piece is 3000 °C hot, and you would argue this, then it would be dumb (shitty example, I know, but you get what I mean ).

    And Iīd give the big dudes more credit, they canīt go down that easily o.0 (or was that moment of distraction really that fatal for them?...)
    The only options I can think of are:
    1) They somehow deal with it alone. ->> I hope so
    2) Dragon is coming. ->> Dunno...
    3) The Supernovas are coming... -> ...and end up squashed xD
    4) Rayleigh is coming? xD ->> well, he wants to keep a low profile, so...
    5) Shanks somehow gets away from Kaidou and comes to help... ->> meh
    6) Garp changes sides. ->> meh
    7) Kuma and the Pacifistas change sides. ->> meh
    Oda does something I havenīt included in the options above :P
    I'm goin for 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Saizou View Post
    You know, no. First of all, almost every non-surrealist work of fiction is based more or less on the laws of physics, as very few authors can concieve of and create a world with different rules, and the same holds for the audience. Therefore, the author incorporates stuff from the real world and then modifies and builds on it with his own ideas. The creative control of the author (at least in good fiction) therefore extends to those things he has created, but not to those he has incorporated from other sources.

    So by this reasoning, if the author calls something "ice", the audience expects it to behave like the real world substance of the same name (and if it does not, why call it ice in the first place?). Ice isn't something that the author has invented for the story, it is something that he has incorporated from the real world, and therefore it is reasonable to expect it to be more or less subject to real-world physics, especially if water otherwise is shown to have the properties of real world water. So no, if Oda stated that ice is 3000 °C hot it would be fucking stupid, as we clearly can se that water doesn't work that way in the story.

    Therefore, if something clearly falls outside the established, more or less accurate depiction of physics, the author can do two things. Either he can call it magic, or he can try to modify the laws of physics to account for the phenomenon. However, as almost no authors are physicists, the second approach inevitably leads to internal contradictions and all around idiocy. Why, do you ask? Because some the laws of physics that hold in other cases inevitably are linked in some way with other laws that the author tries to modify. And less arcane but more damning is the inevitability of the author forgetting that he has modified the laws of physics, which always happens sooner or later. So no, arguing that the laws of physics are somehow fundamentally different from the real world is stupid, because 95% of the times, we clearly see that they do hold, therefore it leads to a fundamental logical inconsistency.

    Furthermore, if we eschew the demand for logical consistency, we have moved away from an objective analysis and into the realm of subjective opinion. How then can we discuss a work of fiction unless we have logical consistency in the work? How can you judge the quality of the work beyond your personal opinion or speculate in the direction it is going to take, unless you have some sort of objective way of analyzing it? The answer is that it isn't possible if we do not assume that there are rules that hold in general, and that those rules are knowable by us.

    So in a final analysis, the goddamn opinion that we shouldn't refer to real-world pphysics would render all discussion, speculation and analysis completely meaningless, essentially negating the very purpose of this thread itself. How's that for irony?
    NOT gonna read that, sorry ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by edo_shehb View Post
    NOT gonna read that, sorry ^^
    That's not nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by animefan View Post
    I heard jewelers use lasers and diamonds to cut diamonds.
    Quote Originally Posted by R3dKnight View Post
    diamonds can transparent /reflect light
    the only way to break diamonds is to heat it to high temperature and then suddenly cool it
    Don't be silly, diamonds have been cut and used in jewellery for thousands of years. animefan, you're right that these days they use diamond tipped saws and lasers to cut diamonds, but it wasn't always done that way.

    Here's the perfect link for this discussion, it also mentions how low temperatures affect brittleness.

    http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1682

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    lol this is actually true you can break diamond with nothing but a hammer XD. It's vulnerable because of it's almost perfect structure. Well I admit I was wrong in one of my previous posts. I totally forgot about the fact that harder mostly means easyer to break. actaully you can even look it up on wikipedia.

    @redknight and animefan

    They could allready make julery out of diamonds hundreds of years ago whithout lazer or shockfreezing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    I guess nobody here realises that diamonds are in fact quite brittle? Diamond may be the hardest substance occurring in nature, but hardness is only a measure of a substance's ability to scratch the surface of another substance. E.g. diamond can scratch the surface of a piece of iron, but iron can't scratch the surface of a diamond, therefore diamond is harder than iron.
    *Hits self in head*. So true, Diamond IS the hardest substance to scratch but it doesn't have high tensile strength so it would be broken if hit hard enough. You'll need another diamond to cut a diamond thats why not even Mihawk, with the strongest black blade, couldn't even scratch him but a strong blunt force applied to an already frozen diamond would shatter it like glass. I looked pass that simple fact.


    Either way people enough with the Science!! The last chapter was the turning point in the Battle so this week's will have some promise. Who do yall think will be the first to confront luffy?? One of the Admirals or Garp and Sengoku??

    "He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"

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    there IS a chapter this week right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tenryuken View Post
    That's not nice.
    *shrug*

    I'm sorry if my not-to-read-any-post-more-than-3-lines/sentences policy offense you or anybody else, but as u can see surely, English is not really my main language, so... *shrug*

    Quote Originally Posted by x20a View Post
    there IS a chapter this week right?
    I certainly hope so, I didnt even know Oda takin another break last week ( a break in new year holiday?, how lazy a manga-ka can be?) ^^

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    i dont think it's oda but rather shounen themselves who are taking the break.

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    ^Yeah, itīs how Shonen Jumps has its schedule (same goes for Bleach & Naruto etc.)

 

 

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