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    The order is pretty obvious wouldn't it be better to speculate on tactics of each battle? Like, how has Nami's Clima Tact been improved or Will Ussopp fight differently now that he's pretending to be Sogeking.
    Pretending to be the great sogeking blasphemy , but personaly with everything that has happend in w7 I think sogeking will(or should) get a bigger part in the fight
    See that's my line of thought, and particularly why that specific battle interests me. Let's take a look at everything chronologically shall we?

    1. During the Jaya Arc, Usopp sees their ship, Going Merry, repair itself at night. We find out later that he believes it to be the spirit of the ship and that he knew about the extent of the damage to the ship. He even knew that it wasn't sea worthy. However he misunderstood the sign and assumed that it meant that the ship still wanted to stay with them, when really it was trying to let them know it wouldn't last much longer.

    2. During the beginning of the Water Seven arc, pre CP9, we sea Usopp is entrusted with 200 million beri, which was to be used on repairing their ship, since at the time they thought it could still be repaired. We know now that Usopp himself knew the ship was irreparable.

    3. Shortly after that, Usopp is robbed of his money, which keep in mind is a huge amount. He is shamed, and his pride is broken. Gathering his courage he goes in to fight the Franky Family and regain the money... only to be beaten to a pulp. Broken, vulnerable, and blaming himself for everything, he lies on the ground ashamed of himself as Luffy and the Gang end up fighting the Franky Family for him. This is a penultimate moment. It signals Usopp's realization (true or not, and I don't think it's true ) that he is the weakest in the group. He suddenly feels like he's a walking vulnerability for them.

    4. Luffy tells Usopp about his decision to buy a new ship. Usopp, who considers the ship as much a member of the crew as himself is heartbroken. He knows that the ship cannot go on any longer, and he equates this with his own inability to be of any further use to the Straw Hat pirates. If the ship is thrown out when it is no longer of any use, then is it the same with him? He decides to leave, not simply because of the Going Merry's leaving the gang, though that's very important, but because he thinks he's useless. A pride thing. He fights Luffy for the boat, a meaningless battle that's really just a show of resolve, and then breaks ties with them.

    5. Enter CP9 and then later Sogeking. At first Sogeking is just Usopp's excuse so he can help out his friends. In the end, no matter what he says or they say, they're friends, and it's a mutual thing.

    So? He has an impetus to hold up his end of the bargain. Oda has made him serious, as we can tell by the sudden bout of Mutiny, something many of us never expected. Now if only he could prove to us that he's serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold-NiTe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold-NiTe
    The order is pretty obvious wouldn't it be better to speculate on tactics of each battle? Like, how has Nami's Clima Tact been improved or Will Ussopp fight differently now that he's pretending to be Sogeking.
    Pretending to be the great sogeking blasphemy , but personaly with everything that has happend in w7 I think sogeking will(or should) get a bigger part in the fight
    See that's my line of thought, and particularly why that specific battle interests me. Let's take a look at everything chronologically shall we?

    1. During the Jaya Arc, Usopp sees their ship, Going Merry, repair itself at night. We find out later that he believes it to be the spirit of the ship and that he knew about the extent of the damage to the ship. He even knew that it wasn't sea worthy. However he misunderstood the sign and assumed that it meant that the ship still wanted to stay with them, when really it was trying to let them know it wouldn't last much longer.

    2. During the beginning of the Water Seven arc, pre CP9, we sea Usopp is entrusted with 200 million beri, which was to be used on repairing their ship, since at the time they thought it could still be repaired. We know now that Usopp himself knew the ship was irreparable.

    3. Shortly after that, Usopp is robbed of his money, which keep in mind is a huge amount. He is shamed, and his pride is broken. Gathering his courage he goes in to fight the Franky Family and regain the money... only to be beaten to a pulp. Broken, vulnerable, and blaming himself for everything, he lies on the ground ashamed of himself as Luffy and the Gang end up fighting the Franky Family for him. This is a penultimate moment. It signals Usopp's realization (true or not, and I don't think it's true ) that he is the weakest in the group. He suddenly feels like he's a walking vulnerability for them.

    4. Luffy tells Usopp about his decision to buy a new ship. Usopp, who considers the ship as much a member of the crew as himself is heartbroken. He knows that the ship cannot go on any longer, and he equates this with his own inability to be of any further use to the Straw Hat pirates. If the ship is thrown out when it is no longer of any use, then is it the same with him? He decides to leave, not simply because of the Going Merry's leaving the gang, though that's very important, but because he thinks he's useless. A pride thing. He fights Luffy for the boat, a meaningless battle that's really just a show of resolve, and then breaks ties with them.

    5. Enter CP9 and then later Sogeking. At first Sogeking is just Usopp's excuse so he can help out his friends. In the end, no matter what he says or they say, they're friends, and it's a mutual thing.

    So? He has an impetus to hold up his end of the bargain. Oda has made him serious, as we can tell by the sudden bout of Mutiny, something many of us never expected. Now if only he could prove to us that he's serious.
    The best part is, we really got the see what Usopp was capable of when he really meant to do some damage. Even given his advantages, he as a normal human, no stronger than any of the normal marines and other such throw away characters we've encountered, kept Luffy completly on the defensive for an exceptional amount of time, all the up to his final attack. His attacks and weapons were powerful beyond belief, frankly, if Usopp had been using any of that crap earlier his ability to fight both large amounts of weak opponents(think of those shuriken shots on a large group of normal people) and strong enemies would have been much higher.

    Hopefully we'll see Usopp continue to fight like that, and I think we will, Usopp is going to realize that his fight with Luffy, which was started over his own weakness, gave him real strength. It's about time he got some real character development anyways.

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    consider the fact he didnt have the weapons he did in that fight tho. alotta damage was done with the Impact Dial...


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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon
    consider the fact he didnt have the weapons he did in that fight tho. alotta damage was done with the Impact Dial...
    He used flash dial, impact dial, and breath dial, yes, but he still had some pretty damn powerful shots from his slingshot that could have come into play earlier. But this was his real change part, he's just as important to this arcs story as Robin and her past is, really.

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    Yeah, he wasn't just fighting anybody, he fought Luffy on equal terms and held his own. If he could manage that, then it's only fair to assume his combat power is a lot higher than he thinks, thanks in part to the dials. In fact, I'm fairly amazed that he hasn't directly integrated the dials into his own fighting style. Think about it. He built the Clima Tact before ever seeing the dials. Imagine if he built himself a suit of armor or a weapon that is based around the dials. The armor could perhaps shunt the force of any blow he recieves to the impact dial (or if he's smart and took multiple from the island, impact dials). Or the weapon could have other combat dials built into it, like the axe dial.

    Either way, just because his fighting style is different and wholly unique, we've been forced to see it as unreliable. But it doesn't have to be. Perhaps the dials could lend him some reliability for his unpredictable fighting style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StealDragon
    Quote Originally Posted by shinigamiwolf
    OH HELL NO

    FOR THE 20TH OR SO TIMES. STOP THIS DUMB SHIT. FUCK THIS IS UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE
    i would think youd get used to it... just post the link to the thread that theyve copied and watch the threadstarter die a little inside.

    btw the only thing im sure about is that Kalifa (oh my GOD she is hot) is gonna fight nami.
    I think i will
    http://www.stoptazmo.com/viewtopic.p...&highlight=cp9
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    I think that Kaku will be Sanji's opponent, not Zoro's:/

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    I wrote that Kaku is against Zoro for the fact that Kaku is the 2nd strongest... n Zoro is the second strongest of the Straw Hats
    Luffy is da best

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    i agree with Luffy Vs Lucchi and
    Zoro Vs Kaku, but i thought it should be
    Sanji Vs Jyabura.

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    Naaah... Jyabura is the second strongest in the CP9. That explains, why is he mad at Lucchi. They are rivals. Kaku is third and that means he will fight with Sanji :P

 

 
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