Thread: DF reflects the strength of the user

Eneru was pretty weak IMO. Every time Luffy hit him he got sprawled out on the ground. I think Krieg and Arlong were tougher than him.

Originally Posted by Mr. Papaya

Eneru was pretty weak IMO. Every time Luffy hit him he got sprawled out on the ground. I think Krieg and Arlong were tougher than him.

eneru was not weak ^^'

it's just that he had no stamina ... but it's understandable as NOBODY ever hit him before.... so of course he wasn't prepared....
and i'm not in denial >.< .... go eneru, go !!

Originally Posted by shautieh

Originally Posted by Mr. Papaya

Eneru was pretty weak IMO. Every time Luffy hit him he got sprawled out on the ground. I think Krieg and Arlong were tougher than him.

eneru was not weak ^^'

it's just that he had no stamina ... but it's understandable as NOBODY ever hit him before.... so of course he wasn't prepared....

i agree, i mean he hasnt been ever...so it would hurt quiet bad..lol

and no, if smoker, crocodile get their power taken away, they will not be stronger than luffy. luffy probably can beat smoker if luffy can hit him..which somewhere somehow he will find the way.

Logia biggest flaw is that the user tends to rely to heavily on thier power. As some one said, it limit it the user imagination. But in the end, i don't think logia ability actually "grow", you can's train one technique and make it stronger. Unlike zoan and paramecia.

I think that logia users cant increase power of their DF,like Parmencia and Zoan,however they CAN learn to control its power better and learn new techniques of using it.
For example:Ao Kiji will freeze all ocean water in area 1 square km.After training he wouldnt be able to freeze all ocean water in area 5 square km,but he can learn how to,reshape ice to create wall,sword,spike or house,etc....
THe same with croc:His actual DF power didnt increased,he just invented many various ways how to use it...

i agree it's more a matter of control other their powers ^^
i mean, in the beginning they surely couldn't transform entirely into their fruit element because then they didn't masterized them enough....
so to take the same example as lizard, i think at his beginning ao kiji just freezed maybe 100 square meters, and then with a lot of trainings came to be able to freeze the ocean...
but he always had the capacity of freezing the whole ocean.... he just wasn't enought trained ^^... (i think it requires a LOT of abstraction to use their power at full capacity ^^ ... and even to just transform entirely into their element..)

Originally Posted by Lizard

I think that logia users cant increase power of their DF,like Parmencia and Zoan,however they CAN learn to control its power better and learn new techniques of using it.
For example:Ao Kiji will freeze all ocean water in area 1 square km.After training he wouldnt be able to freeze all ocean water in area 5 square km,but he can learn how to,reshape ice to create wall,sword,spike or house,etc....
THe same with croc:His actual DF power didnt increased,he just invented many various ways how to use it...

that's just restating what i said. imagination is the key for logia users. how well they adapt their elements into useful fighting tools. eneru know his lightning attack has no effect on luffy whatsoever, so he melted gold and stab him with it. using electric current to heat up object...ofcourse, its a bit different from ice..since ice can harden and become solid....a lighning sword would be pointless lol

aoi kiji is luffy's worse enemy....rubber get rapidly freeze become solid and loses its property to stretch....ace gotta help luffy out if it comes to aoi kiji!! cant wait for ace to appear again..

Originally Posted by Sesshu

Logia biggest flaw is that the user tends to rely to heavily on thier power. As some one said, it limit it the user imagination. But in the end, i don't think logia ability actually "grow", you can's train one technique and make it stronger. Unlike zoan and paramecia.

logia ability is concentrated to the user's mind SO it's the powerful type of df, ok you can train phisical strenght to increase your power with zoan and paramecia but remember that a logia user is something like an element and it have the greater potential

and if you can train in physical way zoan or para your mind have to work a lot if you intend to use a logia, you have to train yourself apart the fruit you've eated

Logia: The potential strength of logia users have to train their df powers and their physical and mental abilities separately. However, a powerful mind can strengthen the effects of logia. Nonetheless, to gain new techniques and manuevres, the user has to concentrate training on the logia fruit's abilities, as it is the only way to increase it's efficiency in usage. It's like a mage's fruit.

Paramecia: Strengthening the user's physical abilities gives more effectiveness with paramecia powers. The techniques for controlling and using paramecia are gained more easily than logia and thus the user can improvise moves in mid-battle. Training one's normal physical abilities is done separately from training paramecia abilities and techniques--when training is occurring. This is a pseudo-spell-like fruit, but for physical abilities.

Zoan: Upon eating the zoan fruit, the user gains an instant increase in the user's normal physical and/or mental abilities depending on the fruit (bison fruit increases strength, human fruit increases intelligence, leopard fruit increases strength and speed, etc.). Training the abilities of the fruit and their own normal abilities can be done at the same time. Techniques can be gained by improvisation in mid-battle. The fruit's power is just like an additional weapon to the user. This is really the close range fighting fruit.

Rumble ball: Chopper's invention allows him to use the ability of transformation as the main ability. However, since he evidently does not train his physical abilities, he relies heavily on the rumble ball capabilities, making him more like a paramecia user than a normal zoan user.

Tell me what you think of my analysis and explanation.

Originally Posted by pentaelemental

Tell me what you think of my analysis and explanation.

not bad ^^