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    I am certain...to a degree... that Ace will survive the fight with Blackbeard. But as to whether he will win against him, the jury's still out on that one. Ace might win, because i think that he shares Luffy's extremely strong will and determination.

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    Since it's a blank piece of paper there has to be some sort of trick to it, even though I don't want to use the word magic. But it's possible that letters will appear. Or an arrow that'll always point towards Ace's location.
    I don't know

    But if, as you say that paper is a message to WB why wouldn't have ace given it to WB instead of Ruffy.
    When he set out on his journey, he didn't even know if he would meet Ruffy.
    Logically it would be better to give it WB or some crewmember, or just tell WB to care for Ruffy.

    Besides, the paper was pretty small. Whats supposed to be on it "dear Ruffy, give this to WB" and then a letter? I doubt it.

    But wo knows, maybe we'll find out in the next few chapters.



    and @starslasher:
    There is no way Ace beat BB.
    Not if you have read the same chapter than me. And look at the last pic where you can see the attacks in the distance.
    The darkness attack was bigger and that suggests that it won.

    Also BB was pretty much build up to be very strong and some final villain for Ruffy.
    Oda wouldn't have introduced and build him up that way if he was just supposed to be someone Ace beats.
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    what you says about WB makes sense, even if it may be an invitation to a party (like the pirate summit )

    for the paper itself, i don't remember if it was blank, or if lufft just didn't read it... but there could be some "magic" involved, as soon as a crewmate of Ace has the DF ability to control papers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    and @starslasher:
    There is no way Ace beat BB.
    Not if you have read the same chapter than me. And look at the last pic where you can see the attacks in the distance.
    The darkness attack was bigger and that suggests that it won.

    Also BB was pretty much build up to be very strong and some final villain for Ruffy.
    Oda wouldn't have introduced and build him up that way if he was just supposed to be someone Ace beats.

    Lemme just say... size doesn't matter. Here's a crappy example I'll use anyway: DBZ: Brolli vs. Gohan and Goten... and Trunks I think. He fires off those giant green balls of his, and the smaller Kamehameha beats that. There are other examples... like Sparda beating down that Prince of Darkness guy in Devil May Cry. In any case, for all we know, Blackbeard's move was more showy, but Ace's might have been more compacted.
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    ace is a true logia devil fruit user so i think the final attack depends on whether or not blackbeard touched him. that or he may have used all his energy into his attack and thus killing him. It is also possible that blackbeard took serious damage from his last attack since he cannot let the attack pass through him, though i guess he could have just let the the darkness absorb the attack. Ah, so many possibbilities and theories to come up with. hopefully we will know soon.

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    True.

    But that was only the minor part of my argument.

    The main part is that he was build up too much to loose at this point.
    We saw him before skypia where he began his hunt for Ruffy.
    We saw his crewmate at the WG intrducing him and trying to make him a shichibukai.
    He attackted the kindom drum way back and we had Ace looking for him in Drum and Alabasta.

    We have Shanks going to Wb trying to tell him to stop Ace. Because BB is very strong as Shanks says and we learn that he put the scar on Shanks without havin a DF at the time.
    At the moment it seems Shanks was going to Wb just to tell him that and they started fightin over it.

    We have Ace confronting him and BB is still talking about Ruffy.
    We learn he has one of the strongest or at least most unique fruits in One Piece.

    And we see him kick the shit out off Ace.
    He took the damage from Ace's attacks as we know and it didn't do anything to him.
    While Ace took one punch and was almost send flying by it.


    I think all that makes it pretty clear that we haven't seen the last of BB.
    Would Oda go through all that if Ace had beaten him just now?
    And for what?
    To show us that Ace is strong? We already knew that, so there is no point.

    That's why I think Ace has lost (but is NOT dead).
    The long, tiring, version of it *gg*
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    ace lost, and thats that...thats why oda put that line at the end....its not a question whether ace win or lost (he lost), its whether BB killed him, take him to WG, use it as a bait for luffy or what?......since ace has a big role, and since i haven't seen any death yet, i would say second option looks good....he got bigger bounty than luffy anyway, no point in chasing luffy now

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    about the line at the end, i think that when WB will hear about the killing of Ace (or his arrest/etc.) he will go berserk against BB (and the world government if Ace is alive and BB give him to the government )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor
    and @starslasher:
    There is no way Ace beat BB.
    Not if you have read the same chapter than me. And look at the last pic where you can see the attacks in the distance.
    The darkness attack was bigger and that suggests that it won.
    Okay then. But i wasn't talking about Ace beating BB. I said that:

    I am certain...to a degree... that Ace will survive the fight with Blackbeard.

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    I ceratinly dont think Ace died because Oda will not kill off cool characters like Ace that quickly. ANd i think BB is a bit too cocky (though his power is ill) I believe that Shanks or WB could kick his ass.

 

 
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