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    Daisumaru is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
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    We keep going to this Akatsuki is "evil" standard, but we have yet to see any real solid evidence of such. Don't get me wrong they are antagonists, but that doesn't mean they're evil just something in Naruto's way. I really can't help to think that it is possible that Akatsuki may have some kind of a higher purpose to captureing the bijuu. I mean we know Orochimaru is evil, and I feel Danzou the leader of the root division is intent on regaining his former power in Konoha if not more power. Anyway back to the topic, I'm just bothered by a few things that we have seen so far in their story involvement. While we know that we have seen alot of "attempts" to harm ninjas that are in their way, I have noticed a lack of commiting any actual killings directly. The thing that bothers me the most is that the Akastuki had already taken Shukaku from Garra and yet they intended to take Gara with them after the Konoha ninjas had infiltrated their hideout. I see no value to Gara's corpse, perhaps they have some revival ninjutsu's of their own. Yes I'm aware that all of the ninjas within their ranks are criminal ninjas, the Akastuki members themselves are all S class according to Jiraiyai.

    We know of what we believe Itachi has done, but we must remember that Sasuke had arrived toward the end of his "actions" and while he did take credit for the genocide of the Uchiha clan, he even showed Sasuke what "happened" with the Mangekyou. Though he could have easily been lying especially if by chance Itachi felt that he may lose to the "real" perpetraitor, he would definately not want his little brother to pursue and be killed by the real enemy. I mean you must consider the fact that those with bloodline limits have been killed in the country of the hidden Mist(other countries too I'd bet) due to the threat they posed so it is possible that if someone had seen Itachi's MS it could be seen as a potential threat, though this is just some speculation.

    Now on to Sasori, Chiyoba was intent on saveing him. I'm sure her wisdom would tell her that that would be a waste if he where indeed some evil villian, true he turned his parents into his first puppets, but that seemed to be common knowledge. So then why would Chiyoba have not dealt with him when he was younger rather than wait, simply put we don't know what had happened to Sasori's parents before they where turned into puppets his actions could have had the intent to save his parents or even bringing them back from the dead. I mean go back to Naruto chapter 268 pay attention to the structure of page 15, in the second panel we se him looking at two picture frames and then structures down to him hugged by his "parents" which to me shows that they had died before he had turned them into puppets. This would also explain why one so proud of all of his creations would "abandon" these two puppets, because they held a sentimental value he could not use them in combat for fear of damaging them. I mean he had not caused them serious damage during the fight even though he knew all their tricks(this being said I think he could have easily dismantled them if he chose to do so).

    Also this would leave the door open for the possibility that Yondaime is the Akatsuki leader, if he is still alive. Especially if he had been keeping an eye on Naruto and decided that being a container for the bijuu was too much of burden for anyone to bare. After all we know that their leader did not want Kakashi to be killed, which is some indication that this is possilble since I'm sure Yondaime would not wish any harm to come to one of his pupils. That being said this would also increase the chance Tobi is Obito. Though it is hard to delve too far with out more information on the rest of their members.
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    Flab is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    amazing theory, really. Come to think of it is possible, kinda a kool imagination!

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    could be a possiblity but u never no.

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    Your theory is good if i might say but you only picked the good of it all but you didn't put all the negative side. did you include Orichimaru in that equation? He used to be a member of the Akatsuki and he wasn't kicked out, he left on his own. Orochimaru is a pretty evil dude, he doesn't have one single of good in him.

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    i'm not sure until i read it by myself.

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    nize thoughtz. but i dont think dat the akasuki iz neutral.

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    Daisumaru is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
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    Heh sorry I completey forgot Orochimaru, but I do have some theory to him also. My theory when it comes to Orochimaru is simply that he left the Akatsuki because he realized that he too would be striped of his bijuu, I mean after all it is a possibility that Orochimaru is a Jinchuriki for the 8 tailed beast(hachibi), but he is a hard one to figure out since he doesn't seem to show much of a human side. Which his lack of humanity is what leads me to think that Orochimaru is in fact a jinchuriki seeing as how the kind of treatment they recieve is very cold and could easily lead to that kind of personality. Also the statment Kabuto made in regards to the fight between Orochimaru and Naruto, in ref. to their fight being between 2 monsters. Though I must say that wouldn't explain how he was allowed to join if in fact the Akatsuki wishes to free the jinchuriki of their burden, unless they wanted to keep him under close tabs. Though the question would then be why they didn't strike when they had the chance. My only theory there would then be restricted to the fact that perhaps they could not contain his bijuu and that some sort of an order must be followed in their capture. This would also explain the delay in their persuit of Naruto's bijuu the nine tailed fox(the strongest one in the myth the hacibi being the second strongest). The only flaw here being that we don't know the other two that had been captured before Gara.


    Honestly this thought of the Akastuki haveing some higher purpose than just useing the bijuu for their power has been brewing for a while, but has really become more of a possibility since the start of part 2. And what really seemed to be the last peice of the puzzle to me was Tobi's introduction in which he is reffered to as being a "good boy" by Zetsu. That just struck me as kind of a strange thing to hear from a member of an "evil" organization. I mean true it could have a seperate meaning from the literal translation, but if that is in fact the intended meaning it would almost solidify this theory of mine.

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    I believe they said they "have" two of the bijuu, which could mean that they're talking about Kisame as one. If Orochimaru is indeed a jinchuriki, then Kisame is definately one as well.

    Its also possible that Kabuto is one too, since during the Chuunin Exam, we see his eyes turn blood red, which suggests he has some sort of power hes supressing, and could easily be a bijuu. This would also contribute to the idea that Akatsuki "has" two Bijuu just because Kabuto was known to have been Sasori's spy

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    Not that your theory isn't possible (you never know), but i have my doubts.

    I doubt that Orochimaru is an Jinchuriki. It is said that the biyuu are sealed into the body. So how does he change his body and take the biyuu with him?
    And he left Akatuski becaue he wanted Itachis body and couldn't get it, because Itachi is stronger. He said so himself.


    And for Akatsuki. They are not good. They kill people. If i remember correct, Kisame instantly wanted to kill (asuma and that chick) when he and Itachi were in Konoha. He also wanted to cut of Narutos legs so he couldn't run away.

    And I think Deidera took Garaa's corpse because he knew Naruto was after it and he could seperate the Kakashi group if he took it with him.

    For Sasori. I believe he made puppets that looked like (or were) his parents becasue they died and he was lonely.
    Maybe he didn't damage the puppets because the reminded him of his parents.
    But he tried to kill Sakura and his Grannny.

    For Itachi. Sure, we only saw the end of his actions. But i think not because there is something behind all this.
    A manga only has a limited amount of pages and there was no need to show what he did in detail. What we saw (the end) was enough for the story.
    But maybe we'll see what happend in an flashback. Or in a flashback in a flashback (that's the Naruto style).


    If i look at all i saw of them i can't say they are good guys.
    Or that they have a good purpose for there doings. Maybe in their eyes but not in mine.


    You see, I have my doubts, and reasons for them. And unless you riddle me everything above, I'll still think you are wrong.

    And i actually hope it's not true, because it wouldn't fit in the style of Naruto we saw so far. Just like Yondaime being Akatsuki leader. Konoha and the spirit of it's Shinobi would crumble if he were. Because he is a hero who died for the village, which made the village and it's people who they are and what they believe is a good way for a Shinobi.

    But I like your theory. It's something new and fresh to read and think about.
    And of course it would be a mayor plot twist.
    But I don't see why you people wait for such a big twist. Naruto is good and exciting as it is. No need for a mayor twist, just that the mangaka can say "i fooled you all" or that people think the story is not predictable.
    DBz was super predictable, and it's one of the best mangas ever which inspired almost every mangaka out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor
    And for Akatsuki. They are not good. They kill people. If i remember correct, Kisame instantly wanted to kill (asuma and that chick) when he and Itachi were in Konoha. He also wanted to cut of Narutos legs so he couldn't run away.



    And i actually hope it's not true, because it wouldn't fit in the style of Naruto we saw so far. Just like Yondaime being Akatsuki leader. Konoha and the spirit of it's Shinobi would crumble if he were. Because he is a hero who died for the village, which made the village and it's people who they are and what they believe is a good way for a Shinobi.

    But I like your theory. It's something new and fresh to read and think about.
    And of course it would be a mayor plot twist.
    But I don't see why you people wait for such a big twist. Naruto is good and exciting as it is. No need for a mayor twist, just that the mangaka can say "i fooled you all" or that people think the story is not predictable.
    DBz was super predictable, and it's one of the best mangas ever which inspired almost every mangaka out there.



    Umm...... U cant just say there evil juss cuz they kill ppl b/c thats the
    job of the shinobis, is 2 kill ppl if u say that then all shinobis r evil. & the thing bout the Yondaime being akatsuki leader wuld coz great turmoil n konoha i dont think it wuld b that drastic cuz all other hokages' died for Konoha as well, b/c the will of the hokage has already been passed down.Juss like if 1 of our ex-presidents took part of a scandal(NIXON) *ahem* doesnt mean we would stop functioning as a country, but das juss wat i think though. & as for the theory it could possibly b true i wuldn't b surprised if it iz juss as the guy says. Nice theory n also nice counter theory. )=^D

 

 
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