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    Daisumaru is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
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    Ah, I forgot one more thing and that is how Yondaime has survived. Notice back in chapter 260 there is a jutsu of the Akatsuki leader's the Shouten no Jutsu (Imitation shapeshifting technique) that is mentioned. If the leader indeed is Yondaime it would explain how he was able to survive sealing away the kyuubi. I'm aware that this was to save the village from the rampageing Kyuubi, but I can't help but wonder if that is why the death god was incapable of takeing the kyuubi's soul, due to the obvious chakra limitation. And something has always bugged me about the first few chapters and that is that Sandaime makes mention of Yondaimes wish for Naruto to become a hero of the village. Which has one slight flaw how could Yondaime know his jutsu would be a sucsess, unless he had practiced it before under similar circumstances or if he was around after the success of his jutsu. I mean without some prior knowledge to what it would do I can't even help, but begin to question Yondaimes morals seeing as how this would almost lead to even more implication of a certain level of useing the infant Naruto as a human sacrifice of sorts*shivers*. I hope that part is just too much speculation on my part, I think that would be going a little too far.

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    I actually really like this theory, and I'm happy to see that you've put so much thought into it...

    I'm not sure if I would like it if it were true (especially the Yondaime and Tobi parts of it, I would hate that), but the way you've approached it, it could work. In that case, it would have been the Yondaime who found Obito, and could have (potentially) saved him before he even died. Unlike the "Zetsu did it!" theory, that would actually be plausible. Besides, Obito's name is on that big stone for the village heroes, which means that they didn't recover his body, right? (Oh no, now I'm supporting a theory I don't like...)

    Personally, I also don't find the Akatsuki to be that villainous. It's not just the outfits, but also their interactions...there seems to be a lot of banter for a group of villains...I find it hard to take them seriously.

    I just don't think that their being good would really fit the story...although I can definitely buy that they may believe that they're doing the right thing.

    Although, for when they took Gaara's body, which I also found strange at the time...isn't it possible that they might have wanted to get his jutsu from his corpse? (I'm still at a loss as to how that would work, but since it's actually in the manga...)

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    i tot sasori parents was kill by hatake sakumo?

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    About the statement of Itachi being stronger that Orochimaru, i don't think it's quite accurate..

    Remember in the begining of the search for Tsunade arc, when both Itachi and Kisame are talking, they are saying that they can't win against Jirayia, that a best case scenario would leave all 3 of them dead. Now from what I understand Orochimaru is stronger than Jirayia, in raw talent anyhoo.

    I remember Orochimaru saying at one point that "he" is possibly stronger that him now since his arms were sealed, i dont think he was talking about Itachi but about the Akatsuki leader. We all know that he got his arms back.

    So my 2cents about Akatsuki vs Orochimaru is that Orochimaru wants to be the strongest out there and learn all of the jutsu's around, he doesnt care about ruling the villages, etc.. Well if Akatsuki's goal is the complete control or the annihilation of the villages wouldnt it be fair to assume that they dont want an all powerful all knowing ninja around..and for Orochimaru it's quite simple.. if they get rid of all the ninjas, he won't be able to learn all the world's jutsus

    anyhoo feel free to flame, comment argue.

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    the only truth to the theory that Yondaime might be the leader of akatsuki is the fact that If Yondaime was creative enough to create the seal for the Kyubi, he would be just the same to create one to remove the bijuu.
    But I don't think the Jutsu that Sandaime use on Oro is the same that Yondaime pulled on KYubi, because how would you explain him sealing it in naruto.

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    I seriously doubt that the Akatsuki are good guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redrum305
    the only truth to the theory that Yondaime might be the leader of akatsuki is the fact that If Yondaime was creative enough to create the seal for the Kyubi, he would be just the same to create one to remove the bijuu.
    But I don't think the Jutsu that Sandaime use on Oro is the same that Yondaime pulled on KYubi, because how would you explain him sealing it in naruto.
    I did explain it, I just really hope it is not the case seeing as it would mean that Yondaime used the Shouten no Jutsu to make the infant Naruto into a copy of himself. I really hope against this because that would show an insane level of putting the village above the life of an individual. Afterall that does seem to be the main structure to Naruto's world and if they took it to that extent it would just be too much IMO.

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    Deidara - Wanted to kill the entire Sand Village with a bomb if the Gaara didn't come with him. Yea, that's considered uber slaughter.

    Itachi - Killed his whole damned clan. There's no point to say that he's innocent, because if that were true than Orochimaru would also be innocent of capturing kids and training them. We never see him do it, but it's there.

    Zetsu - I wonder who feeds him those human parts...

    Kisame - He's one of the swordsman of mist, I'm pretty sure he killed lots of people to become highly ranked.

    Sasori - He killed the Kazekage, made a puppet armor from live humans, and took over an entire country.

    They want power, that's their mission. Sure, there's a possiblity that they can be "good," but the fact is, they kill people in their way for the quest of power.


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    i don't know if this has ever been mentioned... but Orochimaru left Konoha because the Sandaime chose the Yondaime over him right? Thus we can infer that Orochimaru was bitter and hated the Yondaime right? THEN WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD HE GO AND JOIN THE AKUTSUKI?!?!?!? If he wanted to follow the Yondaime, he could have just stayed in Konoha, so it is in my opinion that there is no way the Yondaime can be the leader of Akutsuki.

    next about your theory of Orochimaru being a jinchuriki, if this is true, then the Manga is gay, and i quit. The cool thing about Orochimaru is that he has a butt load of forbidden techniques, not that he has over powering chakra. It's his techniques that make him the Orochimaru that we all love to hate. and as mentioned before, if he has a bijuu inside of him, how is he supposed to change bodies so easily?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongx2
    i don't know if this has ever been mentioned... but Orochimaru left Konoha because the Sandaime chose the Yondaime over him right? Thus we can infer that Orochimaru was bitter and hated the Yondaime right? THEN WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD HE GO AND JOIN THE AKUTSUKI?!?!?!? If he wanted to follow the Yondaime, he could have just stayed in Konoha, so it is in my opinion that there is no way the Yondaime can be the leader of Akutsuki.

    next about your theory of Orochimaru being a jinchuriki, if this is true, then the Manga is gay, and i quit. The cool thing about Orochimaru is that he has a butt load of forbidden techniques, not that he has over powering chakra. It's his techniques that make him the Orochimaru that we all love to hate. and as mentioned before, if he has a bijuu inside of him, how is he supposed to change bodies so easily?
    *nods* I realize that Orochimaru would never follow Yondaime, but we don't know if the Akatsuki leader's identity is known to the rest of the Akatsuki. And that would be an interesting reason for Oro to have left the Akatsuki if he had ever found this out. On to the Hachibi being within Orochimaru, I think that would explain a serious problem of the bodies rejecting him, seeing as how if he is the jinchuriki for the hachibi it would be rather difficult for him to find a suitable body for the transfer and thus why he want's Bloodline limit bodies seeing as how they seem to be able to take a substantial more punishment. Also if you haven't noticed the curse seal seems to be better for adjusting a body to his Chakra and it does seem to me that their bodies are reconstructed to make for better containers. On to the Zetsu thing just because he eats dead people that would not make him "evil" persay especially since we have never seen him kill the two that he was implied to have eaten. Don't get me wrong that's sick, but not something that would make him evil. My bet would be that he may very well have done something more to the extent of the thing that surronds him doing the eating, but we have no real clue what that thing is. As much as I try can't think of a bijuu(maybe yonbi, but it doesn't really seem to fit to that) that would fit to his existence so what that it is we won't know untill Kishimoto tells us. And sorry Hitsugaya-The-Great, but Orochimaru we know has been takeing young strong ninjas to serve as his containers. We know that Itachi has taken credit for the Genocide of the Uchiha to Sasuke, but he never admits it to anyone else from what we have seen. Remember back to chapter 141 when Itachi and Kisame are face to face with Kurenai and Asuma. Asuma said "You're pretty brave to come back and set foot in this village after causing that incident." Not to state any fact from this, but it feels a little too much like the whole thing with Naruto and how to say too much about what he was being forbiden. I know that some people refuse to exept this Akatsuki theory of mine as a possibility solely because it would disrupt the structure of Naruto(the whole point of a plot twist), but I think Kishimoto intended for his fans to question everything within the world of Naruto. During team 7's qualification with Kakashi sensei he says "Shinobi read the hidden meanings within the hidden meanings!" In other words trust nothing, question everything.

 

 
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