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    TheJaggid is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    Liked this chapter. People have been bitching about how strong Madara is, which I don't mind considering he's supposed to be the second strongest shinobi to have ever lived now that he has Hashirama in him, but this chapter showed that the Bijuu he so clearly wants to rape can definitely hold a fight against him.

    As for the Rinnegan, I'm surprised people are so confused by this. He achieved Rinnegan after his fight with Madara, after stealing something from him somehow. After that, since he was super weak after the battle, he gave his eyes to Nagato and brainwashed him or w/e so that he would eventually revive him back at full power. Obito then took back the eyes after Nagato was defeated, and used one of them during the war. This means that both eyes were NOT in Madara's possession when he revived (revived as in, alive again; not reincarnated). As for why he had Rinnegan during hs zombie mode, that's because of the broken rule that all reincarnated are brought back at the prime of their lives (that being regular Madara with the EMS but NO Rinnegan, since Rinnegan Madara was actually weak and nearly dead thanks to the battle against Hashi) PLUS the modification Kabuto did, which was transplant a piece of Hashirama into the corpse.

    To summarize:
    Regular EMS Madara reincarnation + Hashirama transplant = zombie Rinnegan Madara.
    Old, once living Madara Rinnegan eyes + revived (not zombies reincarnated), full power Madara body + Hashirama transplant (NOT prepared by Madara, still Kabuto's) = living Rinnegan Madara with Hashirama healing and Zetsu body swapping (since the Zetsu are made from Hashirama).

    I believe that the Hashirama healing and Zetsu body swapping is improvised. Madara had no intention to use them since he was supposed to be Jinchuuriki at this point, but they're there and so he's using them.

    tl;dr - Stop being lazy and read it.
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    Arcane Azmadi is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tek22 View Post
    I think the whole Madara eye thing is like this, When he came back from being a zombie, his eyes went black, because those weren't his real eyes and I guess since his real eyes still exist then he needs to get them back into his real body. And he was able to absorb ninjutsu and the sage chakra because he had both his and the first's cells, although that wasn't fully explained, just something about that uchiha tablet saying that someone who had both senju and uchiha and that person finding happiness or something. and now him having one of his real eyes back gives him back the six path powers or something. Bus as for him summoning susanoo, I'm calling bullshit on that one, cause I'm pretty sure it was always stated that you needed to have your eyes to do that.
    No point calling bullshit on anything Madara does at this stage. He's the ultimate God Mode Villain Sue. Rules don't apply to him. All 9 bijuu pound him to paste at once? He loses an arm, then just cuts one of zetsu and sticks it as easily as using velcro. Basically, Madara can do whatever the hell he wants, NOT within reason, to accomplish whatever bullshit Kishimoto thinks he needs to be able to do.

    Seriously, he's long since eclipsed Aizen and Red Hulk and is still going. I think he's almost at Priscilla level by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane Azmadi View Post
    No point calling bullshit on anything Madara does at this stage. He's the ultimate God Mode Villain Sue. Rules don't apply to him. All 9 bijuu pound him to paste at once? He loses an arm, then just cuts one of zetsu and sticks it as easily as using velcro. Basically, Madara can do whatever the hell he wants, NOT within reason, to accomplish whatever bullshit Kishimoto thinks he needs to be able to do.
    Sums it up perfectly.I wouldnt compare him to Aizen yet soley for the fact that Kishi would use a slightly more ninja "logic" way to his demise. Aizen was such a hax that he had a ball within him that made his dreams come true? Hougyoku*? Still, with this being Kishi's final arc he has to have the epic fight with the larger than life villain. If sasuke had somehow gotten a piece of the 1st my god would there have been trouble. Only thing to stop Madara now is Naruto literally going Avatar Sage Mode and trumping him. A true god.

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    I think i can sum up why Madara lost the rinnegan but retains his eyes simply in that the rinnegan is still currently active. The other forms of his eyes are inactive and technically don't exist any longer since no one but him would be able to regress them back from that state. Which is why he could form Susanoo.

    A question i have that may be somewhat old but worth asking is why did Tobirama die? The man who invented hiraishin leads away attackers to save Hiruzen in the others. Couldn't just teleport back once he lead them far enough?

    Another factor i considered is all the minor villages and the problems that might be faced politics wise when the akatsuki. An enemy of the entire continent. Yet only the big 5 find themselves good enough to fight in this war and entirely leave them out.
    Once this ends. A power struggle could ensue when the minor ones attempt to take the seat of power since the big 5 have lost so many ninja.

    That brings to question the entire reason for this war and what it means to be a ninja.


    The political state of the world. The fragile peace imparted less than 100 years ago. From which 4 world wars have sprung in that time. there is no world wide peace. as pain said. no matter the method to gain peace. it will never last. others lusting for power, for land or recognition will rise up for what they think they are entitled to thus leading to infighting which will spread till someone must come to quell it. freedom through fear. or Madara's way. peace through control by putting the whole world in genjutsu. even if Naruto wins and somehow brings peace. it will only last so long. because shinobi were made to fight.

    these people are not ninja. they are hired mercanaries. they have registrations. they act in public to preform basic duties up to high level positions. villages are no more than goverment run seats. filtering jobs that are given rank for high profile clients and difficulty. it is all about bringing in wealth and recognition as well as a military arms race to prepare for the next war. without fighting. there is no need for ninja. this peace they have enjoyed is merely a truce worth as little as the paper it is written on. before this it was war over territory and loyalty only to clans and family. war and states era into today. these men and women forsake the true nature of shinobi to eek out a meager existince for the false notion of peace. So to make a long pointless rant short. Either they give up being ninja for peace. Or go back to the time before villages and continue the bloodshed.

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    ^ OK, Tobi. Ever heard of Oda Nobunaga? Pretty much his story and what happened to Japan afterwards that you described right there.

    That said, I don't think you're wrong, or that Madara and Tobi are for that matter. Once the shinobi world is unified, or w/e, there will probably be a short peace, and then shit starts hitting the fan again. It's just how humans are.
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