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    TheJaggid is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    The question is, have you been reading Naruto and ANYTHING I've been writing??

    When in the fuck have I said anything about Kurama's stubbornness? NO FUCKING SHIT he's stubborn, I never said he wasn't! And no one gives a fuck what you've been imagining was happening between the two, Kurama liking Naruto has not been shown until VERY recently; sure as fuck not years ago.

    SUBTLE development! Who the hell do you think you're kidding?? You clearly can't even tell one emotion from the other! "Narutoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !"

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    Jaggid, If it helps i agree with you. This personality change is so abrupt. It makes that spew Sakura threw at Naruto about loving him actually seem believable.

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    I'm one of the people that thinks this was too sudden too, if Kishi wanted people to accept this a bit easier, he should have started showing weaknesses in Kyuubi's armour a bit earlier. It just feels strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJaggid View Post
    The question is, have you been reading Naruto and ANYTHING I've been writing??

    When in the fuck have I said anything about Kurama's stubbornness? NO FUCKING SHIT he's stubborn, I never said he wasn't! And no one gives a fuck what you've been imagining was happening between the two, Kurama liking Naruto has not been shown until VERY recently; sure as fuck not years ago.

    SUBTLE development! Who the hell do you think you're kidding?? You clearly can't even tell one emotion from the other! "Narutoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !"
    Angry little boy, aren't you?

    Look, Yes, Kurama's been a big ball of hatred. He's been screwed over manipulated and controlled his whole existence. That battle between the 2 was to enable Naruto to finally get control of the Kyubi's chakra, of course he's gonna try to kill him... the Kyubi thinks it's all about control again at that point. He doesn't realise that Naruto is different from the 'others'.

    Your point is, this all happened 'too fast for you'. That he hated Naruto's guts when they fought and a couple days later he's coming around to his side 'too fast for you'. What i meant by 'you do know it's Naruto your reading' is that Naruto ALWAYS does this. He brings people around to his way of thinking ALL THE TIME. Why are you so surprised about this time?

    You think a couple of days isn't enough time... I think this is where we differ. I mentioned Kurama's stubbornness because that seems to be a massive driving force in his anger, resentment and decision making. In that couple of days he's started to realise his stubbornness and by the way, hasn't mentioned anything to Naruto yet or helped in any way. The 'Go Naruto' creepy smile you seem so fixated on... Well, is a Nine Tails demon fox not allowed to get excited by battle?
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    Jahnin is offline Senior Member Well Known
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahmunt View Post
    Angry little boy, aren't you?

    Look, Yes, Kurama's been a big ball of hatred. He's been screwed over manipulated and controlled his whole existence. That battle between the 2 was to enable Naruto to finally get control of the Kyubi's chakra, of course he's gonna try to kill him... the Kyubi thinks it's all about control again at that point. He doesn't realise that Naruto is different from the 'others'.

    Your point is, this all happened 'too fast for you'. That he hated Naruto's guts when they fought and a couple days later he's coming around to his side 'too fast for you'. What i meant by 'you do know it's Naruto your reading' is that Naruto ALWAYS does this. He brings people around to his way of thinking ALL THE TIME. Why are you so surprised about this time?

    You think a couple of days isn't enough time... I think this is where we differ. I mentioned Kurama's stubbornness because that seems to be a massive driving force in his anger, resentment and decision making. In that couple of days he's started to realise his stubbornness and by the way, hasn't mentioned anything to Naruto yet or helped in any way. The 'Go Naruto' creepy smile you seem so fixated on... Well, is a Nine Tails demon fox not allowed to get excited by battle?
    Completly agree with you.

    It's not that sudden if you follow kyubi's point

    Beside Kyubi's been showing marks of aknowledgement of Naruto's personnality since their first meeting.

    http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v11/c095/16.html

    But he hated humans so much that it didn't really made a difference.

    The 2 turning points in Kyubi's change of point are the declaration of naruto (I'll make something about the hate you have in you")

    and the appearance of Madara, the epitome of what Kyubi hates
    http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/13.html

    That time he chosed to help Naruto, and use him to destroy what binds him.

    The last hit on Kyubi's "armor" was Naruto siding with him

    http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v59/c564/14.html

    You can tell the "damn, this kid was serious!?" look on his face.

    The flashback confirms that kyubi's been watching the kid, even if he hated him he have respect for his determination

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    That Naruto changes people quickly is a valid point. I have to agree that that does explain Kurama's changes especially since Naruto has been knocking at his armor over and over again since taking control of him, more than what Naruto usually has to do for everyone else he changes. That Kurama's creepy smile was battle lust is a complete ass-pull though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJaggid View Post
    That Naruto changes people quickly is a valid point. I have to agree that that does explain Kurama's changes especially since Naruto has been knocking at his armor over and over again since taking control of him, more than what Naruto usually has to do for everyone else he changes. That Kurama's creepy smile was battle lust is a complete ass-pull though.
    Well, battle lust, excitement, adrenalin... however you wanna put. How's he supposed to smile anyway? He's a demon fox for god's sake :P

    Maybe you were expecting something cute:

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/foxsmile.jpg/

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    ^ Fox looks like he's taking a dump. No, Kurama shouldn't have been smiling at all. Unless he was taking a dump too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJaggid View Post
    ^ Fox looks like he's taking a dump.
    This we agree on :P

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    I wasn't really paying that much attention, cause I was focused on this whole flashback and nine tails' attitude discussion. But does anyone else think it's pretty badass that Naruto was able to stop the four tails hand with his kyubi chakra cloak? He's already pretty tired and to be able to do that still is impressive

 

 
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