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    hellfire86 is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    Kurama won't really die if Naruto dies. He will revive a short time after as Minato mentioned when Kushina suggested she take Kurama to die with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidistight View Post
    JESUS CHRIST, does the DAMN manga need to go on for another 5 years before people find it acceptable for the nine tails to say one nice thing about Naruto. He already told us in the past he dies when Naruto dies.

    I think those saying the nine tails is being to buddy buddy with Naruto are clearly expecting to much. I assume in your opinion, Naruto should be Hokage before the nine tails says or does something nice to him.

    SMH.
    Are you talking about me? I never said anything about it being impossible for Kurama to warm up to Naruto, I said he was doing it too fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJaggid View Post
    Are you talking about me? I never said anything about it being impossible for Kurama to warm up to Naruto, I said he was doing it too fast.
    Disagree. Nine Tails has been warming to Naruto for a while. Maybe you just haven't been paying attention. Doing it too fast? Nine Tails has been a pouty little stubborn bitch and you know it. From the moment Naruto showed he wasn't afraid anymore and wanted to befriend Kurama (When Naruto pinned him down and looked right in his eye), the Nine Tails has been changing his attitude (albeit begrudgingly) towards Naruto. Between the lines, Nine Tails has been warming to Naruto for a long time. Also remember, Kurama isn't saying these things to Naruto. These are his own thoughts. He's waiting to see if the Naruto he has known since a baby will keep his principals and be able to survive and surprise everyone like he always does. I always got the impression the Nine Tails liked Naruto despite his anger and hatred. It's totally within character if you've been paying attention at all. Just seems like you need something to whinge about.

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    Oh for the love of- WHEN WAS IT THAT NARUTO PUT THE SMACK DOWN ON KURAMA!!!??? IT WAS JUST A FEW DAYS AGO!! LESS! How the fuck do you people not notice this? He went from 'Kill Him At The First Opportunity' to 'Butterflies In The Stomach' in no time at all. THAT is too fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJaggid View Post
    Oh for the love of- WHEN WAS IT THAT NARUTO PUT THE SMACK DOWN ON KURAMA!!!??? IT WAS JUST A FEW DAYS AGO!! LESS! How the fuck do you people not notice this? He went from 'Kill Him At The First Opportunity' to 'Butterflies In The Stomach' in no time at all. THAT is too fast!
    A lot has happened in a few days. Kill him at the first oppurtunity? How many times has Nine tails saved Naruto's life? There's been a grudging respect building for a LONG time. The smack down just drove the point home. I see your point it's just that I don't think it came as far from left field as you seem to. 'Butterflies in the stomach' is also a bit much. He's sulking, not helping when even 8-tails is telling him to cop the fuck on. The latest chapter shows that while he may be sulking, the main reason he's not helping yet is because he believes Naruto will come out the other end like Kurama has seen him do Naruto's ENTIRE life. He's been there. He KNOWS this kid. If nothing else, he respects him for not dying when he really should have done many times. It's not too fast at all. The 'smackdown', as you put it, gave Kurama a kick up the arse and food for thought. To be honest, with what we know about these characters and world so far, it really wouldn't make sense for Kurama to sulk for too long. He's realised Naruto is different to the others that have caused him to hate so much and this whole arc has been foreshadowing and building to Naruto and the Nine Tails joining forces finally.

    Like I said... I see your point, I just see kurama's point of view as well. For me, he hasn't acted out of character at all.

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    He hasn't acted out of character at all?
    http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/14.html

    Kurama's creepily happy smile disagrees.

    And yes, he did try to kill him at the first opportunity in order to get himself released, during Naruto's training to put him under control, which, as I said, was just a few days ago.

    Everything you said about Kurama gaining respect for him over time is only obvious, as that was what much of the last chapter was about. My problem with it is that that side of him seems to have been pulled out of nowhere. If Kurama had really been building respect for him over all that time, we should've seen signs of it even before Naruto's Nine Tails training arc. The times we've seen Kurama lend Naruto more of his strength, from what I remember (and I admittedly don't remember them too well since it's been a while), are times he wanted Naruto to indulge in his chakra so that he would lose control and Kurama could break free. Yes, he could have also just let him die, but I figure he was hoping for the quicker way out. For DAMN sure he didn't do it because he cared for Naruto.
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    The smackdown makes it even more odd since he was pissed at how Naruto sealed him after. So maybe that seal screwed with Kurama's head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJaggid View Post
    He hasn't acted out of character at all?
    http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v59/c561/14.html

    Kurama's creepily happy smile disagrees.

    And yes, he did try to kill him at the first opportunity in order to get himself released, during Naruto's training to put him under control, which, as I said, was just a few days ago.

    Everything you said about Kurama gaining respect for him over time is only obvious, as that was what much of the last chapter was about. My problem with it is that that side of him seems to have been pulled out of nowhere. If Kurama had really been building respect for him over all that time, we should've seen signs of it even before Naruto's Nine Tails training arc. The times we've seen Kurama lend Naruto more of his strength, from what I remember (and I admittedly don't remember them too well since it's been a while), are times he wanted Naruto to indulge in his chakra so that he would lose control and Kurama could break free. Yes, he could have also just let him die, but I figure he was hoping for the quicker way out. For DAMN sure he didn't do it because he cared for Naruto.
    I know Kurama has been pissy most of the time. Seemed like he wanted to break through Naruto to get a way 'out'. What I'm trying to explain to you is, there's been a begrudging respect developing from Kurama towards Naruto ever since Naruto first realised he could contact Nine Tails in his own consciousness. The fact that Kurama has only been expressing this outwardly only recently should not deter you from reading between the lines before this.

    Quote Originally Posted by hellfire86 View Post
    The smackdown makes it even more odd since he was pissed at how Naruto sealed him after. So maybe that seal screwed with Kurama's head.
    Not pissed so much as surprised.

    "This little bastard thinks he can control me!!!!!!... Wait a minute... I know Naruto..... Not control.... Friendship?? What a stupid little bastard... But he always seems to win? He thinks I can fight WITH him. Maybe I CAN fight with him? He's still an idiot!"

    ... Kurama's thought process....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahmunt View Post
    I know Kurama has been pissy most of the time. Seemed like he wanted to break through Naruto to get a way 'out'. What I'm trying to explain to you is, there's been a begrudging respect developing from Kurama towards Naruto ever since Naruto first realised he could contact Nine Tails in his own consciousness. The fact that Kurama has only been expressing this outwardly only recently should not deter you from reading between the lines before this.
    Yes, I know. What I'm trying to explain to you is that it's not displayed/expressed/exposed/foreshadowed correctly. Kishi should've shown this sooner, but he didn't. It's not my fault I'm 'deterred' by it -- it's plain unnatural for a ball of hatred to warm up to a dude in so little a time.

    Not pissed so much as surprised.

    "This little bastard thinks he can control me!!!!!!... Wait a minute... I know Naruto..... Not control.... Friendship?? What a stupid little bastard... But he always seems to win? He thinks I can fight WITH him. Maybe I CAN fight with him? He's still an idiot!"

    ... Kurama's thought process....

    Oh jesus christ that was incredibly corny.

    In fact...
    Respect? http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v53/c497/15.html
    Those are eyes of hatred right there! http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v53/c499/12.html
    Not pissed!? "You have angered me! Narutooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!" http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v53/c499/13.html
    http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v53/c499/15.html

    Should've done this from the start. Like I've been saying over and over and over again, you don't go from that to what Kurama is now in just 2 or 3 days.


    Edit: On an unrelated note, this new upgrade is hella nice!
    Last edited by TheJaggid; 01-13-2012 at 05:10 PM.

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    ^^ "Oh jesus christ that was incredibly corny."

    Dude, you do get that you're reading Naruto, Yes?

    "it's not displayed/expressed/exposed/foreshadowed correctly."

    Really? How so? Kyubi's stubbornness is part of his character. Just because you would have written it different doesn't mean it's wrong.
    Kyubi has been full of anger and hatred for so long it's hard to see anything else. I've thought for years that there was a grudging respect growing between the two (Naruto and Kyubi) and that, coupled with the subtle development in the kyubi's attitude which you think I'm imagining, is more than enough for a change of face. In your opinion this happened too fast... in mine it's taken it's sweet time.

 

 
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