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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJaggid View Post
    Tsuchikage's too obvious. I think the Raikage and Tsunade are better candidates. Sasuke has to kill Tsunade at some point. Dunno how Raikage would die.

    And Naruto dying sounds stupid. Getting to the point where he's close to death and can't save anyone as they're slaughtered in front of him (again, Tsunade), sure. But dying just to get revived? That's just fucking pointless.
    Yup, just like my opinion! Happened once with Gaara, why do it again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJaggid View Post
    And Naruto dying sounds stupid. Getting to the point where he's close to death and can't save anyone as they're slaughtered in front of him (again, Tsunade), sure. But dying just to get revived? That's just fucking pointless.
    Well look at it this way Jag ole boy, in order for this manga to reach its ultimate pinnacle during this war Madara would have to be mere moments away from achieving or actually succeeding in his plans (only to have it crushed in the end). That would mean that the Hachibi and Kyuubi would both need to be extracted, inevitably killing Naruto in the process. If Naruto is meant to be a Hokage AND Jinchu then he wouldn't have the Fox extracted but if Kishi wants him to be a former Jinchu Kage like Gaara then he MUST die in some way shape or form when the Fox is ripped out of him. Thats too far off into the future so its up in the air. I like Bee but I see Madara getting his hands on him sometime in the near future.

    Sasuke is already spamming Susanno so thats a good sign right? Seeing sasuke right now with his new powers, although good, is unsettling for me atm since just last chapter we saw that Naruto is getting weaker by the battle while sasuke just woke up from a nap and is all fresh and restored. Besides that fact we all know how much of a beast Sasuke was WITHOUT an EMS so imagine what he could do with it? He's not going to meet Naruto so soon so chances are he'll run into and dispatch Itachi (after a much needed truthful brother to brother speech), swing the balance of the war in Madara's favor by hopefully dispatching some of his past comrades and friends, maybe even run into Kabuto THEN meet naruto. He's seriously imba now man, if he does a fly by over a battlefield and does an Amaterasu wtf could anyone do? Like seriously, what....can.... anyone...... do??? roflmfao. He was already a beast with Ama, Tsuki and Susanno but was flawed by the drawback those moves brought to his eyes, now that he doesn't have to worry about that (and also has something else special due to EMS) i guess his only limitation now would be his chakra reserves? Man... I dont know how Kishi is going to do it but he has his work cut out for him in order to make Sasuke manageable because as of right now, not knowing about his weakness, he will literally f**k everyone he faces in the ass, ear and mouth at the same time in the blink of an eye.

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    Lurker-mode, Disengaged...

    As nice as these last few chapters have been, I can't help but feel a sense of disappointment over Naruto's development so far as per the Fox Cloak.

    My biggest gripe is that, so far, it's been an over-glorified extension to the Sage Arts. Not that that's a bad thing, but after seeing the untamed Fox Cloak in action over tens of chapters, I was really expecting to be blown away by what he'd be able to pull when he finally clamped down ol' Kyuubi. If anything, his accomplishments in Sage Mode only fed that hype, particularly since certain aspects of the Sage Art were limited DUE to Kyuubi being unrestrained.

    The following is mostly speculation, but it has a solid enough precedent in the series, thus far: -

    1. First up, his physical strength in the Fox Cloak should far exceed that of the Sage Arts, which has been shown to be substantial. When going toe-2-toe with anyone, Naruto should be able to give them a decently difficult time, if not out-right out class them. Though we have indeed seen him one-shot opponents with a drop kick or that right-handed smash he delivered to Kisame, I'm still unimpressed because we've seen other shinobi deliver similarly forceful strikes simply because they can! A physical attack from a Jinchu is and needs to be CONSISTENTLY devastating barring any opposing jutsu (Chakra drain, barrier, etc.)
    2. Where's the regenerative aspect?! Did he seriously injure his ankle when he smashed into that wall!? I simply can not believe that Sage Mode outclasses the cloak, especially when it's effect on life energy was explicitly implied as per the Mokuton techniques. I'm not expecting him to be absolutely invincible, but why not nigh impervious? That's the very least, imho. After all, he's gone berserk before and has been through worse when in an arguably weaker Cloak Mode, so why not when he's in full control?
    3. The speed was a IMMENSELY welcomed change and one that was desperately needed. Therefore we need MOAR of it. Showing up the Raikage's awesome, but what's the point if that's the extent of it? That group of White Zetsus was the perfect opportunity to show off the speed, given that it happened right after the Tsunade/A encounter. What do we get, instead? Rasengan galore.
    4. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the Rasengan...but it's getting stale. Mini-Rasen shurikens are nice, though, but simply not enough of a variety. On that note, lets see some more variety from your other techniques, even your basic fighting style! The Frog Katas were largely neglected despite how incredible a technique they were, and I hope the same doesn't happen to the virtually limitless applications of a freely molded manifestation of infinite chakra.
    5. Ultimately, I feel that the sensory aspect was the saving grace of the mode, but only by default. I have no real complaints about it, but that's not saying much since there's not really a decent list of variations to it that can be made.


    Basically, I don't get why he's putting himself in the implied danger of maintaining a mode that's overkill for the present situation. The only sense in it is the sensory aspect, but I don't see it justifying overuse in every combat situation.

    Sage Mode was a truly epic concept, and really transformed Naruto both as a fighter and as a character, and I think it's a shame to see it thrown under the bus by a seemingly half-developed technique. Like many of you, I've been eagerly anticipating the subtly foreshadowed combo between SM and the Fox Cloak, but I'm doubting even that possibility now. Long story short, the Fox Cloak ranks high up there on iconic techniques that define Naruto and it should produce a more meaningful effect to that end. It's true that he really hasn't gotten a chance to explore it as much as he should have (his ability to improvise is still phenomenal), but that's what these encounters are for, right?

    I'm going to hope there's more action to be had on the main battlefield because I wasn't all that impressed with the Itachi/Nagato reunion at all. If Itachi's fail-safe hadn't come through, that could've been an incredibly dangerous situation and I honestly believe it shouldn't have been given his new-found abilities.
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    ^ Awesome explanation Sam. I agreed with everything you said other than the Sensory Aspect being the saving grace of the fox mode. So far for me although his speed and strength is phenomenal in his new form the saving grace he's shown in that form, combat wise, has been his display of the cloak arm control. That boy has been inventing new rasengans up the ass on a fly and if it wasn't for that ability then he'd just be a faster, stronger Naruto with a new form. The extra hands makes him godly.

    I also got what you meant by Kishi needs to have more variety in Naruto's techniques, I really do, but when you think about it thats just a pipe dream since the only techs Naruto knows are Kages and Rasengans, lol. As "new" as the idea of the Frog Kata was there's really nothing special about it and unless there are specific techniques to be used with it (think Gai and Lees techniques) there's really no point to talk about that fighting style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    The extra hands makes him godly.


    Hmm, Im waiting for the Hybrid mode as well. Id like to see Naruto being more versatile, but I guess its more convenient for him to be in Kyuubi mode, since he doesnt need to gather Nature chakra and so on...

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    Well, krazy, you mentioned that at some point, Naruto will have to die due to Madara extracting the kyuubi, but now that I think about it, remember Madara did the same thing to Kushina and because of her Uzumaki heritage, she was able to survive it... I think the whole point of Kishi telling us that was just to justify Naruto surviving a potential kyuubi extraction in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    I also got what you meant by Kishi needs to have more variety in Naruto's techniques, I really do, but when you think about it thats just a pipe dream since the only techs Naruto knows are Kages and Rasengans, lol. As "new" as the idea of the Frog Kata was there's really nothing special about it and unless there are specific techniques to be used with it (think Gai and Lees techniques) there's really no point to talk about that fighting style.
    Thanks, and yea, this is true. I suppose I was hoping that the Fox Cloak would do more for him, whether intentionally or not. It's been shown to involuntarily attack on his behalf, before, but regardless, you're right that it's not really 'varied' enough to be something new.

    Edit: Ah! Rendell beat me to the punch! :P

    On the subject of Naruto possibly dying, lets not forget that he's an Uzumaki and Kishi was shrewd enough to show us that his mother survived the Kyuubi being yanked out of her, and that was the fully empowered version! If Naruto ends up on the same boat, I think it's pretty safe to assume that he'll make it through.

    Also, during the last chapter, I was caught off-guard by Nagato reconstituting himself back to a 'healthier' form by absorbing Killer Bee's chakra when he was donning the Tailed Beast Cloak. I don't know, but that, to me, seemed a little strange. Using chakra to heal and revitalize outside of medical ninjutsu has a place in the manga, but it got me wondering since the source was a tailed beast and the recipient was an Uzumaki. It's been implied, before, that the Uzumaki blood may have contributed to Naruto's resilience as a jinchu, so perhaps there's something worth noting, there.

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    True Rendell, but the extraction process was still going to result in her death. Kushina was left extremely weak and on the verge of death, but her longevity keep her alive for considerably more time than the typical Jinchu would have been, like how Gaara and the previous Hachibi host died instantly. Brought up a good loop hole point though. Once/If the Kyuubi is extracted from Naruto he wouldn't die right away but would be weak and alive long enough for some serious spirit bomb chakra transfer action from all his friends to restore him.

    And Sam, right on, his Uzamaki blood definately plays a role in his large chakra reserves, whether or not that fact might play a role doesn't seem clear :-/ but if anything it will definitely play a role in the event that he is captured and "killed" by Madara. As Naruto is right now he does not have any type of regenerative techs.... however when he gathers Nature Chakra does he not revitalize his regular chakra as well?
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    Madara already has ninetails chakra, so it's entirely possible for him to try reviving the ten-tails using just that and have an underpowered version of it as the final boss. Wasn't that a favorite theory around here? That Naruto and company would fight an under-powered ten-tails?

    I don't see Naruto losing the ninetails. After the fucking hell his mother and father went through to seal it in him? And after Minato had already said that Naruto would need it in order to defeat Madara? Not happening.

    As for the critique towards the Fox Cloak, I happen to be very satisfied with it so far. It's easy to tell that there are still more uses for it to be shown to us, yet already we've seen more innovation with the use of rasengans in mere months than has been shown in the X years it was first introduced.

    Really what have we seen before the Cloak? Regular rasengan, larger rasengan, incomplete rasenshuriken, and complete rasenshuriken. What have we seen since the Cloak? Mini-rasenshuriken, multi-rasengans at once, that rasengan shredding machine (Tornado something), planetary rasengans, and we still have to see the Tailed Beast Bomb.

    First up, his physical strength in the Fox Cloak should far exceed that of the Sage Arts, which has been shown to be substantial. When going toe-2-toe with anyone, Naruto should be able to give them a decently difficult time, if not out-right out class them. Though we have indeed seen him one-shot opponents with a drop kick or that right-handed smash he delivered to Kisame, I'm still unimpressed because we've seen other shinobi deliver similarly forceful strikes simply because they can! A physical attack from a Jinchu is and needs to be CONSISTENTLY devastating barring any opposing jutsu (Chakra drain, barrier, etc.)
    We've only seen Gai do that. And haven't we seen Naruto do nothing but shred through everyone he meets, except for Nagato and Itachi? FFS, he just took down a kage in mere seconds.

    Where's the regenerative aspect?! Did he seriously injure his ankle when he smashed into that wall!? I simply can not believe that Sage Mode outclasses the cloak, especially when it's effect on life energy was explicitly implied as per the Mokuton techniques. I'm not expecting him to be absolutely invincible, but why not nigh impervious? That's the very least, imho. After all, he's gone berserk before and has been through worse when in an arguably weaker Cloak Mode, so why not when he's in full control?
    Remember the explanation given right after that happened: Naruto still needed more practice in order to control it. Naruto had someone teach him all the ins and outs of Sage Mode, but not for the Cloak. Hell, he didn't even leave practice until he had fully MASTERED Sage Mode.
    The speed was a IMMENSELY welcomed change and one that was desperately needed. Therefore we need MOAR of it. Showing up the Raikage's awesome, but what's the point if that's the extent of it? That group of White Zetsus was the perfect opportunity to show off the speed, given that it happened right after the Tsunade/A encounter. What do we get, instead? Rasengan galore.
    I don't see whats wrong with that at all. The Zetsu fodder was an excellent place to show that Naruto was advancing his techniques, while the Raikage encounter was perfect for showing off his speed. What better way to show that Naruto was now the fastest Ninja in the world than by outpacing the last fastest? Besides, remember that Naruto didn't truly beat the Raikage in speed until the end of their encounter, and remember that he needed the Raikage there in order for someone who had faced Minato in the past to be able to make that 'Flash' comparison between him and Naruto.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the Rasengan...but it's getting stale. Mini-Rasen shurikens are nice, though, but simply not enough of a variety. On that note, lets see some more variety from your other techniques, even your basic fighting style! The Frog Katas were largely neglected despite how incredible a technique they were, and I hope the same doesn't happen to the virtually limitless applications of a freely molded manifestation of infinite chakra.
    I both disagree and agree here. I'm still not tired of the Rasengan. I know a lot of people are, and I can understand why (especially with Sasuke getting handed technique after technique), but I'm honesly more happy with it now that ever before. I love all the variations that can be done with it that Naruto has shown. The planet one and the horrifying Tornado technique rank among my 10 or so favorite jutsus/moves in the series. I mean, using the propulsion from multiple rasengans to send an enemy flying further? C'mon, that's cool!

    But I also would love Naruto to get some new jutsus... the thing is I can't see what he can possibly learn. A ranged technique? He already has an S-ranked Rasenshuriken he can throw practically at will (and that explodes!), and he was the speed to easily close the distance between himself and almost any opponent. Genjutsu? He sucks at it. Taijutsu? Yeah, I would love to see him use those claws to tear people to shreds, like they were meant to!! Ahh, if only Naruto (the manga) were seinen... this war would have been so much better.
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    on the naruto dying thing, lets just hope he doesn't copy his brother :/

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