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    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    Humans, or as Raikage said "average' humans, can't wield it cause they run the risk of dying since the weapons drain huge amounts of chakra but since we see the brothers with them in their possession even before they fought the Kyuubi then its probably because they were special and had gargantuan amounts of chakra even before they got the Kyuubi's.
    Nope. It's just Kishimoto being inconsistent and creating another plot hole. Raikage clearly said humans can't, and the brothers could only use it because of the Kyuubi chakra. This coming from the guy who himself has a monstrous amount of chakra as per Karin.

    Guess my 'unrestrained criticism' was well-deserved, eh blackflash? Kinkaku can not only go six tails but is capable of controlling the transformation. Far beyond anything Kishit would ever let Naruto do. (One can argue that with no will attached to the chakra it's easier for Kinaku, but then why can't Naruto sprout even a single tail now that he's separated the will and chakra?)
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    ^ Maybe since the chakra has been separated from the Kyuubi and his will, it no longer takes the form of the Kyuubi? He can probably use the chakra in its entirity without having to sprout any tails or ears now.

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    oh wait..
    how does chakra work?

    Naruto got the Kyuubi inside him for chakra... that also means it's unlimited
    the Brothers got chakras from the Kyuubi, that means it's limited?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    Nope. It's just Kishimoto being inconsistent and creating another plot hole. Raikage clearly said humans can't, and the brothers could only use it because of the Kyuubi chakra. This coming from the guy who himself has a monstrous amount of chakra as per Karin.

    Guess my 'unrestrained criticism' was well-deserved, eh blackflash? Kinkaku can not only go six tails but is capable of controlling the transformation. Far beyond anything Kishit would ever let Naruto do. (One can argue that with no will attached to the chakra it's easier for Kinaku, but then why can't Naruto sprout even a single tail now that he's separated the will and chakra?)
    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    ^ Maybe since the chakra has been separated from the Kyuubi and his will, it no longer takes the form of the Kyuubi? He can probably use the chakra in its entirity without having to sprout any tails or ears now.
    That was pretty much explained when he did it, he took the chakra and wasn't given it he also took out the pure chakra of the fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    Nope. It's just Kishimoto being inconsistent and creating another plot hole. Raikage clearly said humans can't, and the brothers could only use it because of the Kyuubi chakra. This coming from the guy who himself has a monstrous amount of chakra as per Karin.
    I doubt that. I think you are just overly critically by the words used. Raikage's exact words were "humans cant wield it because an average person would be drained/killed instantly". Key word, to me at least, was average. If an AVERAGE person wouldn't stand a chance even holding it for a second, because it would drain the living snot out of them, then an ABOVE average person, like sasuke, gai sensei, kisame or even Raikage for example stands a better chance of surviving a minute or 2 using its ability (like we see Darui just did). An average person in the naruto world to me is someone like the bridge builder old guy, his apprentice and the regular non-ninja villagers etc. THOSE weak bastards would be killed instantly but a well trained Jounin class warrior would be able to hold his own for a short period of time in comparison to the Brothers but significantly greater when compared to regular humans, i.e. villagers and the like.

    Guess my 'unrestrained criticism' was well-deserved, eh blackflash? Kinkaku can not only go six tails but is capable of controlling the transformation. Far beyond anything Kishit would ever let Naruto do. (One can argue that with no will attached to the chakra it's easier for Kinaku, but then why can't Naruto sprout even a single tail now that he's separated the will and chakra?)
    Actually witcher to be fair here Kishi, thus far, has given Kinkaku the same amount of leeway his has for Naruto, in my mind. This is the very first sight of it so we dont know the full extent of his control. For 1 thing he transformed into the Kyuubi mode the same way Naruto has been doing so for years, the hulking out method. They lost 2 of their weapons and his brother got his soul extracted from his body so that became the trigger for his transformation.

    I can see, however, why you would assume he has more control over his transformation because, unlike naruto, he actually strung together a clear, complete sentence (when he said he was going to kill Darui for doing what he did to his brother) so that is a sign of consciousness. When Naruto goes Berzerk he's completely berzerk. Yes he's showing signs of control, as of right, now but this leads us into why he can probably do so. Naruto actually has the beast within him so when he loses control the Kyuubi takes over his consciousness itself Kinkaku does not have to worry about that so his transformation is, technically, safer than Naruto's because he does not have to worry about being taken over. Naruto was a kid with little to no Bijuu training, a small frame and a naive mental disposition where as Kinkaku is the complete polar opposite. The Cloud village seems to have a better grasp on how Bijuus and Jinchu's should be handled so im sure Kinkaku received the best training and tips on how to control himself better than Naruto has. If theres not beast to take over his mind and he has strong chakra and a solid frame to contain it then that chakra is all his to control. The main drawback is that its not limitless like Naruto's. That just my 2 cents.


    Now about this chapter:
    Daymn Rai-man. I knew you had a soft spot in that herculean body of yours for you brother and obviously your village but your words to Darui were touching!! That was a clever twist there that made a lot of sense. Ever since Darui came in the story i've remembered him saying 'Sorry' more than dull. He is a very dull person so we automatically think dull anytime we see him but he always seems to apologize for his lackadaisical demeanor.

    The way Kakauzu talked about Kinkaku makes it sound as if Ginkaku is the only 1 of the brothers that has the ability to go Kyuubi berzerk mood when angry. I was about to say Yamato's in the battle so he could just submit him but it suddenly dawned on me that he got captured by Kabuto and Naruto still doesn't have a clue! Who's left to stop Ginkaku now?
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    I hope Ginkaku is Naruto's 'test', I expect to see Naruto do one of those shonen "hero arrives on the scene just in time, and shows off his new powers by taking out the enemy with startling speed/power" moments.

 

 
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