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    krazykwasi is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Default Nagato: The perfect inbred spawn.

    With all the talk recently about Madara "giving Nagato his eyes" (which some people took literally) it just sparked my attention to Nagato himself so I came with this completely far-fetched, or is it o_O?, idea about how Nagato could've been lucky enough to be so something of a freak of nature so perfect to resemble the almighty ninja God:


    As Madara said Nagato's signature Red hair was a testament to his Uzumaki Clan ancestry who were in turn distant relatives of the Senju. Since the Senju were the direct decendents of the sage's youngest son the Uzamaki's lineage branches off from the Sage's yongest son as well (which could be why they were known for having resilent bodies and longevity). We know Nagato has Uzumaki genes in him but what if his Rinnegan mutation was due to having combined Uzamaki and Uchiha genes? It could seem a likely reason since having both genes from the Sage's 2 sons could be the extremely likely catalyst to promote a great mutation such as the Rinnegan in the first place! How could it have happened? Seeing as how ninja back in those days were all about clan warfare and pledged the greatest alliagnce soley to their clan it would be rare for people from different clans to procreate with one another (imbreeding: yea, having sex with someone else from a different family: are you nuts?). Since the external beef with the Uchiha and Senju came to an end and the village system was born and the newly formed Konohagakure formed an official alliance with the Uzushiogakure then those 3 clans (Uzumaki, Senju and Uchiha) would've been in better contact with 1 another. Some stud reject Uchiha meets a sexy red head Uzumaki and they fall head over heals for each other but even though shit's ok with the clans now there was still a lot of animosity amongst the clans so Nagato's mom knew she couldn't show up to her parents house with that Black haired emo looking Uchiha boy that never looks like he's up to no good. So to escape this love halting prejudice they decide to leave their respected villages and move far away where they could live in peace. There they had a son who, being the result of their converging genes, mutates to form a being most resembling the Ninja sage himself.

    If not that then Madara could've raped/used his slip between what ever place or dimension ability to slip between Nagato's mom's legs and spermed her knowing that combining their 2 history filled gene pools would have said effect on the child which he would then kill in.. say 20+ years so he can steal their eyes for his plan now . Having the genes from both sons seems like a more likely reason for Nagato being the way he was rather than it just being a freak occurance in my book.

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    Or... Rinengans are always have been inside the bloodlines of the sage second son's descendants, uzumakis included, laying dormant and almost always will. As a compensation for its dormant state, they got the 'power of the body' stuff.
    Unlike the sharingans which almost always will awake on the first son's descendants.

    Madara found out how to activate them. then he went to find a person whom the blood of the second son run thick... enter nagato uzumaki.
    So
    Madara: i'm the one whom gave him the rinnengan, they belong to me.
    mean.
    Madara: i'm the one whom awaken his rinnengan, i have the right for them... And even though i can awake another one, how long will that take to mature..

    this could also mean: naruto nature sage-controlled kyuubi-rinnengan overkill..
    ^__^

    *moving from my phone to pc to add something*
    this dormant state theory could also be link to the existence of varieties limited bloodline/family ability out there, which is why i write 'will almost always dormant'... some certain rinnengan ability must've leak out for certain bloodline/family
    ps: i might be confused between the two sage sons here.. Correct me if i'm wrong
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    Good theory man. It's just I'm afraid we won't get to know this until the next databook. A shame really. =_=

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivanov_2020 View Post
    Or... Rinengans are always have been inside the bloodlines of the sage second son's descendants, uzumakis included, laying dormant and almost always will. As a compensation for its dormant state, they got the 'power of the body' stuff.
    Unlike the sharingans which almost always will awake on the first son's descendants.
    True. I am not a biology man so I dont know all about genes but I get what you are saying. With that being said, the Senju also have a dormant "rinnegan" gene in them but since they are descendants from the younger son their doujutsu genes have been more repressed whereas their physical prowess not soo much (same for the Uzamaki). Thats pretty much why I though up the idea that Nagato's dad could've been an Uchiha (or maybe some other distant not so important or yet mentioned relative of the Uchiha the way the Uzumaki are to the Senju) cause in order for him to be a being that most resembled to the Sage, in my mind, that would've meant he should have both pieces of the Sage's genealogy. Older son's powerful chakra and spiritual energy and the youngest's will and physical energy. From a scientific reasoning thats believable.

    Although having an Uzumaki mother would already grant him some of the Sage's genes and it would still be possible for him to be a freak of nature and develop him abilities since traits skips generations and so on. Either way Kishi just seems content to attribute Nagato's "luck" for getting his powers as a freak lotto occurrence rather than his lineage.

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    ^ummm... actually i'm not saying that his the rinnengan gene awake due to the mix of the first son blood and second son blood in him.... isn't that your idea in the first place (i'm might be wrong on reading what u say up there though...)
    i'm saying that the first sage gives the rinnengan to the second son without him noticing it (or through a specific gene), and gives his first son a whole different sets of eye without him noticing it (different gene). but the one on the second son lays dormant... then madara found a way to wake it up. my guess is that he must've wrap himself to nagato's inner conscious, maybe using that 'dream-come-true-no-jutsu', then unlocked a door that unleash the rinnengan..

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    ^ The first sentence of my paragraph was meant to address you quote, everything else was just rationale banter. So what you are thinking is that the sage pulled a fast 1 on his older son by giving him some doujutsu prowess but put his actual rinnegan ability in his younger one (probably because he was the more responsible of the 2)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    ^ The first sentence of my paragraph was meant to address you quote, everything else was just rationale banter.
    ah.. i see...
    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    So what you are thinking is that the sage pulled a fast 1 on his older son by giving him some doujutsu prowess but put his actual rinnegan ability in his younger one
    well something like that.. knowing him as the origin of it all, he must've seen something in both of his sons future.
    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    probably because he was the more responsible of the 2?
    not really.. i don't think he trust his second son, or anyone, to carry rinnengan either. that's why he put it into sleeping mode. he trust his second son enough not too fixated about it. in the contrast, the first son must've found a hint of the truth or something, which start the feud of this two..... i guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivanov_2020 View Post
    not really.. i don't think he trust his second son, or anyone, to carry rinnengan either. that's why he put it into sleeping mode. he trust his second son enough not too fixated about it. in the contrast, the first son must've found a hint of the truth or something, which start the feud of this two..... i guess
    The main reason the feud started in the first place was because the oldest son (the first original butt hurt emo ninja) was rejected as the predecessor of his father, even though he was the oldest. The Sage gave them both some of his power but he trusted the youngest son to carry on his legacy rather than the first because the younger 1 valued peace and understanding as the key to a better society whereas the oldest 1 though that through power, and practically oppression, was the best way to maintain order.

    So your theory holds some merit. I could see the Sage handing over the rinnegan to the younger brother since he probably knew he would use it more wisely than the power hungry older 1.

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    ^ah... yeah.. i forgot about that one.

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    @Ivanov and Krazy : you rock dudes, your conversation is great to follow

    I thought that Madara could be Nagato's true father during the first part of Krazy's post, and then when I read the second part, I laughed, it was well done, Krazy!

    We have no clue about the attack that pushed Nagato to awaken Rinnegan, so as you said, it's not that speculative to say Madara was here to mind-fuck the kid for future deeds.

 

 
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