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    krazykwasi is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    To this very day until we actually find out how Madara "gave" Nagato the Rinnegan I am calling BS on that crap.

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    ^haha..In fact, the part where he claim that he is MADARA himself I call for BS!
    Say whatever you like but still I believe in ODAWESOME!

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    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    To this very day until we actually find out how Madara "gave" Nagato the Rinnegan I am calling BS on that crap.
    But then again I don't really see why Madara'd lie about that to Konan, especially since he was gonna kill her after all...were it Aizen saying that then I'd call it BS but since it's not him...haha.

    When are the Zetsus coming out already...?

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    ^bout this 25-30 thousands of Akatsuki's Army, are they Zetsus??
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    I don't understand the confusion over ET & rinnegan. It's pretty clear doujutsu skills fall under kekkei genkai, and those kinds of skills have been shown to be retained by the soul (otherwise half the reanimated would be useless fodder). Considering ET uses a substitute body and not the original's aside from some blood, the status of the original's body after getting viable blood should be irrelevant.

    Kishi made Tobi's claim to Nagato's eyes intentionally vague to spur debate, but obviously that claim wasn't literal since we've seen the flashbacks where Nagato's rinnegan activated. I took the claim as a suggestion that Tobi may have had a hand in the the war events that defined Nagato's life to potentially spur the 3rd Rikudo sennin to develop. That would be similar to how Tobi manipulated Konoha & the Uchiha clan into civil war resulting in the clan's destruction and the sole survivor being a EMS user being psychologically manipulated by Tobi now, as Nagato was.

    @Witcher- Kabuto was a spy for many countries, and as we saw with both Tobi & Itachi, apparently Konoha doesn't change it's barrier passwords despite obvious risks of exploitation by missing nins. If we assume other villages are as stupid, a spy who has had affiliations to many villages would have easier access to them as a result.

    The problem Kabuto cited in retreiving Jiraiya was that it was too deep to retrieve.
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    krazykwasi is offline Senior Member Community Builder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    Kishi made Tobi's claim to Nagato's eyes intentionally vague to spur debate, but obviously that claim wasn't literal since we've seen the flashbacks where Nagato's rinnegan activated. I took the claim as a suggestion that Tobi may have had a hand in the the war events that defined Nagato's life to potentially spur the 3rd Rikudo sennin to develop. That would be similar to how Tobi manipulated Konoha & the Uchiha clan into civil war resulting in the clan's destruction and the sole survivor being a EMS user being psychologically manipulated by Tobi now, as Nagato was.
    Thats how I took Madara's words as well: Figuratively rather than literally. He could say the same thing to Naruto and his Bijuu since its because of his actions with Kushina and the 1st which lead up to the Kyuubi being sealed within Naruto in the first place. He "loaned" him the Kyuubi the same way he did for Nagato's eyes. Sooner or later Madara needed to acquire the Bijuu and Rinnegan so when the time comes for him to collect those pieces from their current owners he's just gonna be smug about taking them back by saying shit like "they were mines to begin with". Hubris.

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    Exactly my thougths..

    I pretty amazed that so many lines and phrases can be written without stopping a moment a say "hey, but it can be understood like that also." "Maybe I misunderstood"
    Or calling plothole a lack of imagination on oneself own part.

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    Maybe Kabuto is just lonely so he has tricked us into talking about him lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    I don't understand the confusion over ET & rinnegan. It's pretty clear doujutsu skills fall under kekkei genkai, and those kinds of skills have been shown to be retained by the soul (otherwise half the reanimated would be useless fodder). Considering ET uses a substitute body and not the original's aside from some blood, the status of the original's body after getting viable blood should be irrelevant.
    It uses the original's DNA in order to reconstruct their bodies. If Nagato had implanted eyes his DNA would not have the Rinnegan.

    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    @Witcher- Kabuto was a spy for many countries, and as we saw with both Tobi & Itachi, apparently Konoha doesn't change it's barrier passwords despite obvious risks of exploitation by missing nins. If we assume other villages are as stupid, a spy who has had affiliations to many villages would have easier access to them as a result.
    As per his bio, the only villages he worked for are the Leaf and the Sound. After that his cover was blown. But leaving that aside, if can you imagine him walking into the Sarutobi graveyard, digging up Asuma, cutting him up and walking away without the deed ever being found out? And the other villages too.


    Quote Originally Posted by Urameshi-sama View Post
    The problem Kabuto cited in retreiving Jiraiya was that it was too deep to retrieve.
    Given the implausibilties he's faced in retrieving other corpes that should have been inaccessible to him, I'm surprised this gave him much trouble. He could just send a summon, or a zombie, and so on.
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    It uses the original's DNA in order to reconstruct their bodies. If Nagato had implanted eyes his DNA would not have the Rinnegan.
    As Krazykwasi AND Urameshi said (in the part of his message you didn't quote) : That may as well been FIGURATIVE speaking. Manipulating nagoto or even his whole genealogy (madara is veeery old, no?) to create the condition of awakening of the rinnegan. Not actually planting eyes into the damn kid face...

    As per his bio, the only villages he worked for are the Leaf and the Sound. After that his cover was blown. But leaving that aside, if can you imagine him walking into the Sarutobi graveyard, digging up Asuma, cutting him up and walking away without the deed ever being found out? And the other villages too.
    I can. Easily : Bunshin, genjutsu, henge jutsu, escape jutsu... Orochimaru killed the friggin kazkage and took his place for maybe months, nobody noticed. I don't see how diggin some graves in the night would prove to be more difficult than that. Not to tell the guy is a snake and can send some little beast do the work.


    Given the implausibilties he's faced in retrieving other corpes that should have been inaccessible to him, I'm surprised this gave him much trouble. He could just send a summon, or a zombie, and so on.
    He said the depth was too much. I don't see anything more to say.
    Finding a corpse in deep water, given it could very well be eating by fish, crabs, etc.. Is complicated enought, or at least time consuming.
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