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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    - Neji was actually right about that "destiny" vs "hard work" thing. Just look at Naruto now, the destined child of prophecy, son of a Hokage and a Jinchuuriki, descendant of the Sage of the Six Paths!
    lol.... right now the story follows what madara said.. they both are destined child...
    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    - Kabuto using Edo Tensei to summon Nagato. If he knew where Nagato's body was and managed to take a sample of his DNA for Edo Tensei purposes, why didn't he just take the Rinnegan too? Nagato was laid to rest with his eyes open for crying out loud, shouldn't that have made it obvious?
    i dunno bout this one though.. even madara don't know where the body is.. i think kabuto get dna samples from orochi.. and orochi get them while he still in akatsuki. also answer the question where he get itachi's dna, and prolly the rest of the akatsuki
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    - When Kakashi (or was it Yamato?) was explaining elemental chakra natures to Naruto. Naruto: "So what about Shikamaru's shadows, what nature are they?", Kakashi: "I'll tell you later". Hundreds of chapters later... nothing?
    i also want to add the kyuubi's yingyang chakra seperation.. cuz both of these are under the kishi's description of yingyang chakra. either he still dunno what how to describe it or he got tangled up on his own idea of yingyang chakra that end up doesn't make sense..

    ps: what's wrong with the edit option?? it didn't work as usual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhodder View Post

    - the Hawk summon was probably just a case of Sasuke finding no use in summoning that at the time; he had curse seal at the time to allow flight, and sacrificing Manda rather then the hawk was a choice someone like him would make.
    SoSasukes thoughts were: gee wizz I'm fighting a guy who uses the fact, that he is in the air as an advantage against me. I could just summen a hawk, fly up to him and chidori his sorry ass....nah I'll use it some other time when I don't really need it. Hey lets summon snakes instead they can't fly put I like them better.... And I haven't officially renamed my teams Name to Hawk yet so it would be uncool."

    So it's either a plothole or the dumbest decision ever of any character in this manga.



    Why didn't Konan just destroy the rinegan

    Why did Naruto not learn about element-chakras until AFTER his 3 year training with Jiraya (after that arc everybody just seemed to know about it). Did Jiraya just asume it would never be useful to Naruto?

    If Edo Tensei only works on Dead people then why was that one Akatsukiguys who can't die there. He should still be alive in pieces. And if it works on people who are alive, then why not just get some people and kidnap them.

    why hasn't there been any developement in the Hinata - Naruto department. I mean she told him she was in love with him and he went supersayen when she died...... don't just start some love elements in a manga if you aren't gonna do anything with it....

    I bet there were a lot more plotholes but im tired and going to bed now


    (not a plothole but a question: how come madra has been living 4 ever? missed it
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    Quote Originally Posted by ivanov_2020 View Post
    i dunno bout this one though.. even madara don't know where the body is.. i think kabuto get dna samples from orochi.. and orochi get them while he still in akatsuki. also answer the question where he get itachi's dna, and prolly the rest of the akatsuki
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    You're assuming that

    A) Edo Tensei works with DNA only, and NOT with ashes as the original Orochimaru had used.
    B) Orochimaru somehow obtained Nagato's DNA when his direct underlings don't even know what he looks like. Akatsuki was created AFTER Yahiko dead and Nagato became synced to Gedo Mezo, and that was also the time he was secluded to the entire world and became "god." So, how did he obtain DNA samples?

    In fact, how did Orochimaru get samples from Sasori when he was in Hirako everytime we saw him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineVTDragon View Post
    You're assuming that

    A) Edo Tensei works with DNA only, and NOT with ashes as the original Orochimaru had used.
    B) Orochimaru somehow obtained Nagato's DNA when his direct underlings don't even know what he looks like. Akatsuki was created AFTER Yahiko dead and Nagato became synced to Gedo Mezo, and that was also the time he was secluded to the entire world and became "god." So, how did he obtain DNA samples?

    In fact, how did Orochimaru get samples from Sasori when he was in Hirako everytime we saw him?
    to put it simply a) no b) huh? (Q:who's the direct underlings that you're talking about here? nagato's direct unerling or orochi's?). and the question after that would be: how should i know. and as for the last question: everytime we saw him.....

    all i'm saying is that the reason why orochi went to akatsuki is not really because he want to join the gang. and not because of itachi alone either...
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    Just to interject. I too though that Edo Tensei requiered DNA from the person they want to reanimate (which would make sense) but coming to find out that that is not the case at all but all that is required is chakra, a living host, the charm which gets stuck into their head and dust + ashes to mold the figure in.

    http://www.narutoget.com/page/2-read-manga-online/ (Chapter 119 pg 14)
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    ^ i see.. that's odd.. cuz all this time i was under the impression that the ashes that they keep on talking about is the ashes of the dead (the ashes that comes after they burn the dead body)... as for the charm thingy, it is only for removing their personality and stuff

    btw spoiler is out... pretty short though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivanov_2020 View Post
    tb) huh? (Q:who's the direct underlings that you're talking about here? nagato's direct unerling or orochi's?). and the question after that would be: how should i know. and as for the last question: everytime we saw him.....

    all i'm saying is that the reason why orochi went to akatsuki is not really because he want to join the gang. and not because of itachi alone either...
    Pain's underlings didn't even know what he looked like, what makes you think Oro would? Pain had always met people by proxy, and gave very little detail about himself, so finding something that belonged to Nagato would be near impossible.

    Your answer is too vague, but either way that doesn't matter.

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    This whole DNA thing was caused by me typing it accidentally (due to all this DNA talk in recent chapters. Just ignore that. Also requiring the ashes of a body is very questionable now that we've confirmed Nagato's body was still in one piece. I think it's just "dust and ashes" but not specifically those of the resurrected. They must need some sort of link to the original soul though but it's all up in the air now...

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    Sometime ago I said that plot holes are getting to be the rule rather than the exception in this manga, and consequently I've brushed off and forgotten a lot of the details. But off the top of my head I can recall:

    -Naruto suddenly becoming dumb enough to be fooled into blissful ignorance of the war around him, even when the fighting is happening just a few metres away.

    -Edo Tensei. That's one massive plot hole in itself.

    -Zetsu suddenly becoming a plot device for Madara gaining an army to fight with, along with the idea of being able to use the Gedo Mazo's chakra without having a Rinnegan.

    -Madara giving Nagato the Rinnegan. Not only does it somewhat demean his character, it directly contradicts his history and creates large gaps that won't be filled until Kishimoto explains the hows.

    -Konan not having the common sense of destroying Nagato's eyes just so Kishi could advance his plot dream of Madara being behind everything once again.

    -The naked plot-induced-stupidity that allowed Kisame to get away despite being surrounded by two of the strongest shinobi in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    They must need some sort of link to the original soul though but it's all up in the air now...
    if the ressurection here is just like the ones on any other mangas that has resurection which use the same principle, then the ashes of the deceased would be required for the link to the original soul.

    When u said dna, in my understanding it's somewhat the same thing as the ashes of the deceased if u made it into ashes (even if it's taken when they're still alive).... The original body might do as well. Like in the anime
    @dvtd: why are u putting orochi at the same level of a lowlevel underlings, i may never know. All i know is that orochi was an ex member of akatsuki and if i'm not mistaken he is in their inner circle.

 

 
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