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    Quote Originally Posted by TenchuNinjaGuy View Post
    Did you guys ever realize how Madara has the EMS in the pictures when he fights the first, and he doesn't when he fights the fourth. I have a feeling something happened to Madara that is preventing him from using his full power. Perhaps thats why he needs Sasuke. Itachi said something like Madara is a shadow of who he used to be. If this is true, why does he still seem so powerful? Its very puzzling when it comes to Madara matters. One thing is for certain, it is very odd that Madara doesn't have his EMS active. I bet we will guess why if we keep at it
    i once post that most likely the madara now is a ghostly body.. what ever happen on the fight he have with the first hokage, it must be something so bad to the point where madara had to get out of his own body.. or get inside his own sharingan dimension
    reason why this might be possible:
    1. sharingans apparently have the ability to manipulate space or create another dimension
    ex: itachi's torturing eye jutsu thingy, kakashi's black hole jutsu thingy, sasuke jumping into and out of snake eye jutsu thingy, and madara warping every one jutsu thingy
    2. sharingan also have the ability to preserve live
    ex: the danzo
    3. the possibilities that the last coffin is his own body he has been looking for, that had been hidden by someone (my best guest are the uchihas)
    whatever he is he is something not among the living right now, a ghost or maybe on another dimension looking into the world trough his one eye

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivanov_2020 View Post
    i once post that most likely the madara now is a ghostly body.. what ever happen on the fight he have with the first hokage, it must be something so bad to the point where madara had to get out of his own body.. or get inside his own sharingan dimension
    reason why this might be possible:
    1. sharingans apparently have the ability to manipulate space or create another dimension
    ex: itachi's torturing eye jutsu thingy, kakashi's black hole jutsu thingy, sasuke jumping into and out of snake eye jutsu thingy, and madara warping every one jutsu thingy
    2. sharingan also have the ability to preserve live
    ex: the danzo
    3. the possibilities that the last coffin is his own body he has been looking for, that had been hidden by someone (my best guest are the uchihas)
    whatever he is he is something not among the living right now, a ghost or maybe on another dimension looking into the world trough his one eye
    I have to point it out that this is actually tsukiyomi, which is genjutsu. All it does is traps the victim's mind in a genjutsu trap. No separate universe there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ivanov_2020 View Post
    1. sharingans apparently have the ability to manipulate space or create another dimension
    ex: itachi's torturing eye jutsu thingy, kakashi's black hole jutsu thingy, sasuke jumping into and out of snake eye jutsu thingy, and madara warping every one jutsu thingy
    Can you elaborate on this one?

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    ^I've always thought Sasuke did the usual Sharingan mindcontrol on Manda, jumped in its maw, and unsummoned the snake back to snake land (Which took seconds before the big bang of Deidara). Then Suigetsu summoned Manda via scroll... with Sasuke in its mouth.

    Did I miss anything?

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    Regardless Sasuke does have space/time powers. He short distance teleported to Naruto during their very first meeting in Shippuden.


    I believe Madara had his EMS sealed away by Hashirama. If you think about Hashirama can control bijuus through sealing techniques and his own special mojo. I think he pulled an Uzumaki and sealed the EMS away. Now Madara is half ethereal and half corporeal.

    It's either that or Madara isn't really immortal. All we know is that the getting another Mangekyou Sharingan gives you more powers and stops you from going blind. We do also know that Madara is somehow using to escape death.
    I don't believe the EMS really lets the user escape death with their full power. We all see Madara being much weaker than he is.

    The Fourth could've probably taken him out in a heartbeat if it wasn't for the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazen View Post
    Regardless Sasuke does have space/time powers. He short distance teleported to Naruto during their very first meeting in Shippuden.
    Huh? Thatīs what every Ninja actually can do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by qbsenuef View Post
    ^I've always thought Sasuke did the usual Sharingan mindcontrol on Manda, jumped in its maw, and unsummoned the snake back to snake land (Which took seconds before the big bang of Deidara). Then Suigetsu summoned Manda via scroll... with Sasuke in its mouth.

    Did I miss anything?
    Yeah, Sasuke summoned Manda, Hypnotized him with the sharigan, got inside him and while Manda's body was taking the blast damage from Deidara's explosion, Sasuke summoned Manda back to his world but while inside him.

    Then Suigetsu takes off a bottle of blood and uses it to summon Manda, meaning that it was blood from Orochimaru. It's possible to use blood from other ninja contractors to summon the animals they are under contract. Kabuto did the same to summon Manda in part 1, also with Orochimaru's blood.

    Anyway, Suigetsu summons Manda back and Sasuke gets out. There was no " Quantum Space-time dimension travel" bullshit involved to escape Deidara's nuke, just clever animal summoning.

    And jesus, Sasuke just walked really fast when he met Naruto in part 2. It's called "dramatic effect", don't pull this crap out of your asses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazen View Post
    Regardless Sasuke does have space/time powers. He short distance teleported to Naruto during their very first meeting in Shippuden.
    He was just fast, as noted by Yamato.


    I believe Madara had his EMS sealed away by Hashirama. If you think about Hashirama can control bijuus through sealing techniques and his own special mojo. I think he pulled an Uzumaki and sealed the EMS away. Now Madara is half ethereal and half corporeal.
    The reason why Hashirama can control bijuus was because he inherited the Sage's Body, which housed the Jyuubi, and as such he had dominion over the Bijuus. It isn't because of the Uzumaki clan or any sealing techniques that allowed Hashirama to do it, but purely because of bloodline.

    Sealing the Sage's eye with sealing techniques just sound silly. In fact, sealing any Doujutsu or Kekkei Genkai with sealing techniques just sound silly.

    I don't believe the EMS really lets the user escape death with their full power. We all see Madara being much weaker than he is.
    It's highly implied that Madara used Izanagi to escape death from Hashirama's last attack, which is why we only see him with one eye (the other eye is gone).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineVTDragon View Post
    It's highly implied that Madara used Izanagi to escape death from Hashirama's last attack, which is why we only see him with one eye (the other eye is gone).
    On that note, who thinks it's a possibility that Madara's intangible body is due to use of Izanagi? Izanagi allows the user to choose what is real and what is not, does that include their own body?

    It's a stupid and super-highly-unlikely theory, but considering that the whole concept behind Izanagi is completely ridiculous in the first place, and Kishi's previous track record with wacky powers (immortality, body transfers, shared pain, etc), who knows? It might end up being his explanation.

    Consider the following:
    - Madara mentioned something about the possibility of extending the duration of Izanagi during the Sasuke vs Danzo fight
    - We've only seen Izanagi performed with regular Sharingans, not with MS or EMS. Since EMS is supposed to be eternal maybe it can bypass or lower the drawbacks of Izanagi?

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    If Madara did sacrifice one of his eyes to use Izinagi during the fight with the First, I bet he did it as a measure to escape. Maybe the First was able to stop Madara from teleporting away, thus forcing him to give up one of his eyes. Perhaps when Madara made this sacrifice, he lost his EMS, and darkness returned to his world. He has probably been stealing sharingans as replacements ever since. Thats just a guess. I don't know if its true or not. I don't know what the after effects are of sacrificing an EMS with Izanagi.

 

 
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