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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDogMike View Post
    I think you misunderstood that. He said that combining 2 elements together requires a bloodline limit, not that all bloodline limits are combinations of 2 elements. I'm 100% sure that the Sharingan and Byakugan aren't made from combining elements.
    agree with maddog
    Kekkei Genkai is a technique limited to inheritance by blood as in no one else can
    which mean if you're the only one who can do a wierd jutsu and there no one other in your clan can.. that's not a kekkei genkai... that's jast mean your a freakish mutant nin
    Kekkei Genkai cn be
    1. out of the original element user.....(it is not what bloodline limit all about).. but it is one of the type of bloodline limit that exist...example: ice user, wood user
    mizukage on the other hand has two bloodline limit cuz, if i'm not mistaken, she can use two not the original element. i think it's a lava element and the acid mist element
    prolly both of her parent are from different bloodline limit nin so she can use either the kekkei genkai of her father's or her mother's
    anpther example not the original element is iron sand of the kazekage no...?? (i forgot which)
    andthat thing that one of the raikage follower made that look like a flashbomb
    2. special eye is another type of bloodline limit (uchiha, hyuuga)
    3. bone manipulation (remember kimimaro) too bad he's the last of his clan.. cuz imho his kekkei genkai is super cool

    and many more i guess.. just as long as the technique limited to inheritance by blood

    so now we move on to kushina's special chakra
    i have two theory on this:
    1. she could be the freakish mutant nin that only she got that chakra.. and that chakra is trapped within naruto seal along with kyuubi. meaning naruto don't inherit any kekkei genkei... and all this time the story will maintain "the diamond and the pearl" plot
    2. she is from a clan that inherit a special chakra.. and prolly that chakra is the "naruto special power" that have "that special effect" on others.. so "the diamond and the pearl" plot are still well maintained

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    okay people.
    I know many here like this chapter but....
    Stuff about Naruto's Mom.

    knowing some women, or even knowing your own mother.
    I do not think that there will be a sane Mother who will just use their first new born baby child
    as an container/experiment for a Demonic beast

    I hope Kishi will come up with a good reason for that

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    @ivanov Yeah, but that's just your guess. You don't know for sure. The evidence in the source material supports that all bloodlines use a combination of 2 elements. I admit that doujutsus don't look like they're a combination of two elements (as I said in my first post about it), but argue with Kakashi, not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R3dKnight View Post
    okay people.
    I know many here like this chapter but....
    Stuff about Naruto's Mom.

    knowing some women, or even knowing your own mother.
    I do not think that there will be a sane Mother who will just use their first new born baby child
    as an container/experiment for a Demonic beast

    I hope Kishi will come up with a good reason for that
    that's already on my mind since we know who is his father... what type of parent use their child a demon cage?.. but since kushina comes out in naruto i'm strating to rethink some stuff.. for example how old are they (kushina and minato) when the do this?

    Quote Originally Posted by danzo View Post
    Yeah, but that's just your guess. You don't know for sure. The evidence in the source material supports that all bloodlines use a combination of 2 elements. I admit that doujutsus don't look like they're a combination of two elements (as I said in my first post), but argue with Kakashi, not me.
    nope i do not guest that.. and the one that should be arguing is you and not with kakashi but with whoever translate that line.
    here, this might help... or not. whatever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kekkei_...#Kekkei_genkai
    oh and this to.. or not, whatever: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kekkei_genkai
    sorry gotta go

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    heh no problem, and yeah, I already read those
    They're not really a reliable source of information though (their footnotes just link to the same page I'm talking about as their source ^^).
    Last edited by danzo; 06-10-2010 at 08:24 PM.

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    back only for a bit.. this might help to:
    read chapter 217 for kimimaro kekkei genkei... sorry no link

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    I like that chapter, but the only thing relevant is when he says its a bloodline limit and says he pressurises minerals to make his bones hard. We know earth element jutsu has the ability to make things hard (just like Kakuzu's steel body justu), and maybe he added it with wind to make it sharp.

    On another note, it seems onemangas version of 498 has come out. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/498/01/
    I much prefer the translation in this one. A lot of the things that annoyed me about the chapter aren't as bad here. The "like" thing is gone, and well even though it makes less english sense to have "ttebayo" after sentences, I prefer it.
    Also, Naruto doesn't call his mother "hot" anymore, just that he's glad that she's "pretty", which is much better. Also it's not as weird when she says 'I love you' to him, because of the different set up. The 'dream' thing also doesn't seem quite so bad.
    Last edited by danzo; 06-11-2010 at 08:36 AM.

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    Ivanov is correct. I remember reading somewhere that bloodline limits can also shape the body, and not just the chakra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzo View Post
    Very nicely put nothing. The exact quote is "the ability to control two elements simultaneously and create a new element to manipulate, that's what's called a kekkei genkai"
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/316/07/

    he doesn't say that you need a kekkei genkai to control 2 elements, he says that controlling two elements simulateously *is* what it is. And then goes on to describe others with it.

    There's a posibility that it's a translation error, but otherwise there is no misunderstanding.

    Sharingan may not seem like its 2 elements, since someone like Sasuke didn't learn how to use 2 elements and then combine them, but then neither did Haku when he used his to kill his dad as a child. And we *know* that it is the combination of 2 elements (even though he didn't show any mastery in either one of the basic elements). How are you 100% certain when we have so little to go on anyway? It it stated in a databook?
    Dude I'm with MadDog on this one. A bloodline is REQUIRED to be able to combine two elemnts and manipulate them as a new one but a bloodline isin't nesesarily a combination of two elements. It just don't work that way if it is... for example Kimimaru's bones were his bloodline technique- there is no way that was a "combination of elements" or Suigetsu's ability is just water there can't possibly be a combination there, and again with the Byakugan and Sharingan and Rinnegan- in the Byakugan's case the people are born witht he ability long before they can use chakra much less channel two elements. Another indication that this is not the case was the Third Kazekage "He had a special BODY that allowed him to create a magnetic field" and that is certainly not combination of chakra. So as far as the jury can determine a bloodline is NOT necesarily the combination of two elements we are sure about it. >> when in doubt read the oldest definition>> http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/25/14/

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzo View Post
    Very nicely put nothing. The exact quote is "the ability to control two elements simultaneously and create a new element to manipulate, that's what's called a kekkei genkai"
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/316/07/

    he doesn't say that you need a kekkei genkai to control 2 elements, he says that controlling two elements simulateously *is* what it is. And then goes on to describe others with it.

    There's a posibility that it's a translation error, but otherwise there is no misunderstanding.

    Sharingan may not seem like its 2 elements, since someone like Sasuke didn't learn how to use 2 elements and then combine them, but then neither did Haku when he used his to kill his dad as a child. And we *know* that it is the combination of 2 elements (even though he didn't show any mastery in either one of the basic elements). How are you 100% certain when we have so little to go on anyway? It it stated in a databook?
    I can't find a translation to support me, I can only find the Shannaro release (the same one as you linked to on OneManga), but I am sure that this is a mistranslation (either that or it's a plot hole).

    Don't take a single fan translation to be unequivocal proof, we've seen time and time again that translators take liberties with translations and also make mistakes. You've even compared 2 different translations of the current chapter and noted how the personal preferences of each translator has had an affect on the meaning.

    Especially don't take that translation as a literal meaning when it flies in the face of common sense. What combinations of elements could possibly produce all of the bloodline limits that we know (except for the obvious ones of wood and ice)?

    Also, if you're going to take the following translation literally:
    "the ability to control two elements simultaneously and create a new element to manipulate, that's what's called a kekkei genkai"

    Then you should also be taking this literally:
    "He uses it together by controlling the nature of earth and water at the same time, he creates a new wood element which he can then manipulate. Earth in the right hand, water in the left"
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/316/06/

    I don't see Sasuke or Neji channeling a different element in each hand in order to activate their doujutsu.

    Hmmm, lets just face it, Kishi has thought up this elemental crap out of nowhere and introduced a ton of plotholes at the same time. None of it makes sense.

 

 
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