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    Yazen is offline Senior Member Always Around
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    Kushina, Sakura, Ino, Tenten, Shizune, Anko and even Tsunade to a point were all shown up and at one point or another made to look skilled but end up getting their asses handed to them through low means.

    It's upsetting because it's trendy for mangakas these days to make women basically cry and scream throughout the manga like they're doing something. And then there's the constant self-doubt that plagues the male characters sometimes but just seems to stick to the female characters.

    Kushina's character isn't bad so far it's just funny how she's "introduced" to the fourth through her helplessness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yazen View Post
    Kushina, Sakura, Ino, Tenten, Shizune, Anko and even Tsunade to a point were all shown up and at one point or another made to look skilled but end up getting their asses handed to them through low means.

    It's upsetting because it's trendy for mangakas these days to make women basically cry and scream throughout the manga like they're doing something. And then there's the constant self-doubt that plagues the male characters sometimes but just seems to stick to the female characters.

    Kushina's character isn't bad so far it's just funny how she's "introduced" to the fourth through her helplessness.
    you do realize that you see it that way because you only wanna see it (or somehow end up seeing it) that way.. right??

    sakura: made super antidote super fast while naruto only able to stupidly watch... help defeating pinocchio while naruto done nothing that can be consider any help to kakashi (actually he's a burden at the time)

    tsunade: maintain the live of every nin on one village (even after a nuclear attack) to the point she went comatose. other nin (many of which are men) helplessly fighting without any result

    kushina: got captured by a group of nin whose mission is to capture special nin alive. imho: that must be one badass group of nin.. they must've been capturing uchihas and hyuugas only for fun. yet she still manage to leave a trail, without the acknowledgment of the badass group of nin... other nin (who prolly guys) lost track.. except one who we already know as a 1 in a million genius

    ino-tenten-shizune-anko: not actually on the main characters circle, so there's not enough action time for me to judge, though it seem enough action time for u to judge (this is one of the part where i believe "you see it that way because you only wanna see it that way")

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    Quote Originally Posted by ivanov_2020 View Post
    you do realize that you see it that way because you only wanna see it (or somehow end up seeing it) that way.. right??

    sakura: made super antidote super fast while naruto only able to stupidly watch... help defeating pinocchio while naruto done nothing that can be consider any help to kakashi (actually he's a burden at the time)

    tsunade: maintain the live of every nin on one village (even after a nuclear attack) to the point she went comatose. other nin (many of which are men) helplessly fighting without any result

    kushina: got captured by a group of nin whose mission is to capture special nin alive. imho: that must be one badass group of nin.. they must've been capturing uchihas and hyuugas only for fun. yet she still manage to leave a trail, without the acknowledgment of the badass group of nin... other nin (who prolly guys) lost track.. except one who we already know as a 1 in a million genius

    ino-tenten-shizune-anko: not actually on the main characters circle, so there's not enough action time for me to judge, though it seem enough action time for u to judge (this is one of the part where i believe "you see it that way because you only wanna see it that way")
    Your argument took a one-eighty there. Yazen is right. It's common for shonen to be sexist against women and Naruto is no exception. It appeals to its desired audience: teenage boys.

    Then again, Japan is well-known for being quite sexist. At least in western European standards.

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    i loved this chapter. And as i was thinking. KUshina ends up being like sakura. Kind, intellegent, quick tempered followed by excessive violence, and insecuity with facial features. Sakura and her forehead and oddly pink hair, kushina and her round face and hair. not to mention they both grew their hair long for the men they love and like sakura she looked down on minato till he proved himself and suddenly she loves him.

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    Tsunade is the only one I shouldve left out. To me I don't see it as a big deal that sakura made a potion with ingredients on hand. She studied medical ninjutsu for years. I've been wondering if mangakas are considered sexy in japan. Do they get girls? Serious question. If anyone has been to japan or understands Japanese culture please inform me. I've been wondering for years. And yes I realize mangakas can be girls too don't point that out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo Dravidian View Post
    That'd actually might be pretty cool. A suppressed Kekegenkai. Because Naruto has to continuously mix his chakra with evil chakra, his blood-line ability gets neutralized. However, after taking the evil of the kyubii out of his chakra he becomes aware of new abilities(like chakra that never dissipates, allowing him to stay in sage mode permanently)
    Wow yeah it would be awesome to see Naruto with a Blood-line ability...though truth be told some of the best ninjas in the series had no blood-line techs and having someone own without a blood-line tech is even more awesome. Btw-would you classify Kakuzu's abilities as a blood-line? It would be interesting to see how you guys would list some of the Akatsuki's abilities bloodline or not?

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    it was said in the kakashi training speech that bloodline limits are the combination of 2 different elements. Such as with Haku, Yamato, Mizukage, etc.

    They didn't say what 2 elements the doujutsus use though.. So it's debatable whether the sharingan is a combination or not.. We also know that Kimmimaro had one, possibly earth with somethng like wind/water?

    But if it's true that bloodline limits must be a combination, then it seems that some akatsuki don't have them. I would say Sasori, Deidara, Orochimaru, and Hidan don't have it. Their jutsus are either just improved regular ones, medical/religious, or just one basic element.

    But yeah, I agree that Naruto shouldn't have a bloodline limit. It's a much better story for an underdog to rise up and beat the odds rather than the 'destined elite' approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by danzo View Post
    it was said in the kakashi training speech that bloodline limits are the combination of 2 different elements. Such as with Haku, Yamato, Mizukage, etc.

    They didn't say what 2 elements the doujutsus use though.. So it's debatable whether the sharingan is a combination or not.. We also know that Kimmimaro had one, possibly earth with somethng like wind/water?

    But if it's true that bloodline limits must be a combination, then it seems that some akatsuki don't have them. I would say Sasori, Deidara, Orochimaru, and Hidan don't have it. Their jutsus are either just improved regular ones, medical/religious, or just one basic element.

    But yeah, I agree that Naruto shouldn't have a bloodline limit. It's a much better story for an underdog to rise up and beat the odds rather than the 'destined elite' approach.
    I think you misunderstood that. He said that combining 2 elements together requires a bloodline limit, not that all bloodline limits are combinations of 2 elements. I'm 100% sure that the Sharingan and Byakugan aren't made from combining elements.

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    Very nicely put MadDog. I wanted to say that since Hidan was brought up do you guys think he will be brought back into the picture by Madara? I mean think about it. He's not dead. He's still alive under all that rubble. He would be a decent addition to Akatsuki now that they need more members again.

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    Very nicely put nothing. The exact quote is "the ability to control two elements simultaneously and create a new element to manipulate, that's what's called a kekkei genkai"
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/316/07/

    he doesn't say that you need a kekkei genkai to control 2 elements, he says that controlling two elements simulateously *is* what it is. And then goes on to describe others with it.

    There's a posibility that it's a translation error, but otherwise there is no misunderstanding.

    Sharingan may not seem like its 2 elements, since someone like Sasuke didn't learn how to use 2 elements and then combine them, but then neither did Haku when he used his to kill his dad as a child. And we *know* that it is the combination of 2 elements (even though he didn't show any mastery in either one of the basic elements). How are you 100% certain when we have so little to go on anyway? It it stated in a databook?
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