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    ThunderClap is offline Member Frequent Poster
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    actually i think it said kushina was a ninja from the hidden whirlpool village which is rumored to not exist anymore since it was referred to in a past tense by tsunade somewhere in the manga, i think it was right before jiraiya went of to the rain village. not sure. im pretty sure im right about that tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by reaperzeero View Post
    Its just that the time frame and previous plot don't fit. First of all no one seems to know where the Kyuubi came from when it attacked the village (Jiraiya even thought someone had summoned it there) I think if Kushina was the Jinchuriki no one would have "speculated" where the kyuubi came from. In addition it was mentioned that Kushina was actually a ninja from the Hidden Rain village...
    Plot and time frame hasn't kept Kishi from writing whatever he wants before. Who knows what will unfold? ^^

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    In one flashback, Naruto already had the whiskers on him when he was still in his mother's arms didn't he?
    Are the whiskers really an effect of being a jinchu to the Kyuubi like Gaara has permanent black eyeliner? Could someone verify this because this would mean that Yondaime or Kushina didn't perish at the time of the sealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    I dont believe its pulled out of thin air. The fact of the matter is it's never been addressed before and it makes perfect sense that its being brought to light at this point in time cause it just goes to show how all it takes for him to be in control of the fox is to have control over his emotions and insecurities first. Its actually quite consistent with the way the plot has been before cause anytime he lost control its because he's just gives up and gives in to his fears. All the Kyuubi needs is just a little bit of hatred or uncertainty to high-jack naruto's mind so if he wants to fully control the fox and have it roaming around free within him its only natural that he cleans up his act. And you say his inner feelings aren't consistent to the way he's been portrayed throughout the plot but what you don't get is that you can be a nice person on the outside with genuinely good intentions but that doesn't mean you cant be going through internal torment. Naruto's nice to everybody cause he wants to keep the peace and to be liked but deep down he has his doubts. Naruto, like KillerBee as a young Jinchu, has been struggling for acceptance all his life.




    Exactly. Thats why the voices are saying stuff like "Go Away", "Leave us" and "No one will ever accept you". Those are the voices that naruto has in his head about the villagers. He still doesn't know how much they trust him.



    Thats actually a good though. I still dont think naruto was born at the time when the 4th did what he did, so I wouldn't be surprised if in order for the wanted the Fox to be sealed in his unborn child it had to be done through her first or some Ninja sacrificial ritual thing like that. A container, within a container kind off? And as usual, like with gaara, when naruto was born she died. Thats the only plausible explanation I can see for Kushina death to tie into all of this. She seems to have died for naruto's sake afterall.



    This chapter was like a Pokemon battle to me, lol. Naruto's trying to capture a strong legendary 1 but he has to weaken it first. Seeing him flip it and hit it with that Fuuton Rasenshuriken was badass though. The scared look on it's face with its frazzled fur was pure win. And this "tug o war" business seems sooo one sided. I mean not only does naruto have to weaken the kyuubi pokemon battle style but then once it's weakened he has to tug this huge mass of chakra into his little pitty (in comparison) self whereas the kyuubi just has to get 1 decent swipe to pull out naruto's. You see how much effort it took for naruto to tug at the chakra from 1 of its tails along versus the ease KillerBee was having to pull that amount he did from it's head with the 8 tail's tentacle? Talk about a tall order.

    Naruto will get it in no time though cause, as Motoi said, Bee mastered his Bijuu in an incredible speed because he took pride in being a jinchi for his brother's sake pride, a pride Naruto doesn't yet seem to have in himself. Hopefully after he talks to his mother and she probably reveals the plan his father, the 4th Hokage, had for him and probably the scrutiny his idea, of placing such a powerful beast in his baby son, under went Naruto would get a pride resolve to prove his father and mother's faith in them right! He already takes pride in his father having faith in him but maybe he just needs and extra push from his relatives. Either way this battle is in Naruto's mind and its his will so he needs to buckle down and show that fox bastard who's the landlord.
    Actually I see it more in the Avatar: Last Airbender mold. Aang fighting the firelord and his will must be unbending for him to have the power to remove his firebending abilities. I will say you made some valid points over all. Interesting enough no one has stood and and mentioned that they saw this twist coming with him mom showing up. So Kishi really did catch the majority of his readers by surprise. I'm impressed.

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    I like the theory about Kushina being part of the four element seal, the reasons you mentioned are very plausible imo. I'm not with the idea that she was the previous jinchuriki to the kyubi, though. It's an interesting idea, but thinking it through, I just can't find much sense in it.

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    another one from jcafe:
    How does the seal placed on Naruto actually work/or used to work anyway?
    interesting question that brings out a certain idea:
    -if the fourth use the death god seal pull out kyuubi's soul.. then shouldn't both the fourth and the kyuubi are now inside deathgod's belly fighting eternally???
    -from long ago we know that inside naruto is only half of the kyuubi (either the ying or the yang.. i forgot)
    -now we found out that somehow kushina pop out inside naruto...

    what if: the fourth use the deathgod seal, but instead of pulling out all kyuubi soul and let deathgod eat both his and kyuubi soul, he split kyuubi soul into two. half goes with him inside deathgod's belly for an eternal fight, while the other half goes with mommy naruto inside naruto's belly.

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    thats a good theory too!

    I love naruto now, Kishi can bring out discussions that are 10000x better than Bleach ever could...ever.
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    isn't it always naruto>>bleach.. let's just hope kishi wont change the story to the other characters and keep the story focus on naruto for a while...
    if it's a flashback on what happen to minato-kushina-baby naruto at the beginning imho it will be the best....though if kishi made his mistake of not being a good storyteller once again and made naruto flashback look like shit compare to sasuke's flashback, my appreciation toward kishi will lower once again
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    Quote Originally Posted by ivanov_2020 View Post
    How does the seal placed on Naruto actually work/or used to work anyway?
    interesting question that brings out a certain idea:
    -if the fourth use the death god seal pull out kyuubi's soul.. then shouldn't both the fourth and the kyuubi are now inside deathgod's belly fighting eternally???
    -from long ago we know that inside naruto is only half of the kyuubi (either the ying or the yang.. i forgot)
    -now we found out that somehow kushina pop out inside naruto...

    what if: the fourth use the deathgod seal, but instead of pulling out all kyuubi soul and let deathgod eat both his and kyuubi soul, he split kyuubi soul into two. half goes with him inside deathgod's belly for an eternal fight, while the other half goes with mommy naruto inside naruto's belly.
    I had given this much thought when the Death-God seal was explained and I had reasoned that the Kyuubi was simply too powerful to be sealed away completely (or the fourth didin't have the chakra for it) and he had to seal half in Naruto. But there is something amiss about all this Jinchuriki stuff especially with Naruto since the Kyuubi said this> http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/309/06/ it's been on my mind I'm not sure what it means but there is definately more to Naruto's specific seal than we know and the Kyuubi probably knows what it is...if naruto dies something is gonna happen with that seal.

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    I didn't feel like making a new thread for this so.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/311/16/

    There it says Sasuke's growth wasn't natural. I'm sure this has been brought up before but do you guys think this will play a part in the future? I believe this will come in at some point in the story. Not sure where.

    I'll post my theory later.

 

 
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