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    hella is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    even besides the fighting parts ...whats bothering me is that even in his beat-up state Sasuke is looking cooler than Naruto, Naruto is just kinda looking like an indignant teenager... no confidence and maturity in his talking or attitude despite the type of jutsus at his disposal
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    Naruto's rationality seems sound to me. Think about it for a second, Naruto is trying not to do the same thing that all his predecessors have done. He's also trying to grow like Jiraiya has been talking about. It's all about beating sense into someone.

    If none of you have ever gotten into a fist fight with someone then you probably don't know what it feels like. Especially if you're the stronger and just want things to be peaceful between you two after that. It happens. Stronger or not Naruto knows he's tough and wants to do things a better way.

    Honestly no body cares that Sasuke tried killing Sakura so stop using that as an argument to kill Sasuke.

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    its not his rationality that we are questioning... sort of. It's the fact that he's been nothing but a broken record lately and it's been getting on everyone's nerves. Everyone would be fine if he continued with the same sort of mindset that he's had the entire time, but the fact that he's been nothing but a whiny little girl for the past 40 chapters while jesuske has done nothing but get upgrade after upgrade and gained more character development (good or bad is up to the reader) than pretty much EVERYONE else in the series combined is pissing everyone off, especially when all they want is naruto to go into sage mode again or use rasenshuriken to blow someone up... or a little naruhina development at least. if we wanted a sentemental speach about bonds and naruto's past we would have read the VOTE chapters again. In general what everyone wants is for naruto to man up for once, no more bulshit about bonds, and some plot development that doesnt involve anything that has to do with uchiha.

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    All other things aside I foud it interesting that even after Kakashi saw Susano he didin't think he was out of his league. It leads me to believe that Kakashi has some new trick up his sleeve.--Opinions anyone?

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    kakashi couldnt have run from sasuke either way...plot reasons.so, doubt it.

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    Yazen's going into apologist mode again. Nobody cares about Sakura being killed? Only among us readers. Naruto's 'rationality' is nothing more than selfish immaturity. Think about it. Even in the ninja world some things are just evil, like killing or torturing purely for personal gain rather than a legitimate cause. That's why Naruto never gave Orochimaru, Deidara, Kakuzu or even Madara(his first action was to Rasengan him) the benefit of the doubt. The sole reason he'd doing so for Sasuke is because Sasuke was, once upon a time, his friend.

    The Raikage is right here; Naruto's not acting like some great peace-loving humanitarian. He's just a selfish ass who's being lenient towards a murdering psychopath solely because he's unable to let go of his(and Kishimoto's) old Jesuke worship. Maybe he wouldn't be fit for Hokage if he couldn't save Sasuke, but if more innocent people end up getting murdered by Sasuke because Naruto went easy on him and let him escape then he'll be personally responsible for each of their deaths and will never be fit to be a Hokage. Not to mention he'll have a lot more begging, weeping and fainting to do.
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    ^Why'd it have to be called apologist mode. Everyone's got their opinions, they're entitled to it...I could easily call the ones with different opinions complainers but I don't.

    Still though you have a point there. Naruto's actions are selfish. But then again everyone does things because they perceive that it benefits them. It's natural to want to help someone you've known as good previously, though whether it goes all the way to helping someone as far gone as Sasuke, I don't know. But hey, Naruto didn't kill Gaara...and he was pretty fair to Neji as well. That's the bias that everybody's got, I think...they help people and things that are more immediate, more known to them. If things weren't that way we'd all be scrambling desperately to Haiti and Chile to pull people out of rubble.

    In concept it's good what Naruto's trying to do; the "answer" that's been talked about isn't about whether or not Naruto will save or kill Sasuke, but HOW he'll save Sasuke. The whole point is that he's the somewhat naive type who will succeed at what he's attempting simply because he's got the spirit and the will to do it. It's shonen manga after all. Ichigo screaming "then I'll just defeat you!!!" isn't any much better or more rational especially when the person he's speaking to far outpaces him. But it's shonen so the main character wins in the end. If anything it's Kishi overdoing some parts of it and not writing it right. I wonder if his editor really reads his chapters properly anymore...

    It also struck me how Naruto's like Superman. He's got Superman's moral code - at least in Sasuke's case. Try to save everyone. Without the cost of killing anyone. Bit naive but kinda moral. And I believe Naruto hasn't actually killed anyone yet either...

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    I would have to agree that if Naruto doesn't stop Sasuke, then anyone else that dies at Sasuke's hands are all because of Naruto. You had the chance to stop him and prevent him from murdering someone but you wanted to be childish and immature and let him kill again. I compare it to Paul Walker in The Fast & The Furious, since he let Vin Diesel go at the end, anyone that Vin Diesel are all because of Paul. Some family could be torn apart because a loved one was killed when he failed to act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidistight View Post
    I would have to agree that if Naruto doesn't stop Sasuke, then anyone else that dies at Sasuke's hands are all because of Naruto. You had the chance to stop him and prevent him from murdering someone but you wanted to be childish and immature and let him kill again. I compare it to Paul Walker in The Fast & The Furious, since he let Vin Diesel go at the end, anyone that Vin Diesel are all because of Paul. Some family could be torn apart because a loved one was killed when he failed to act.
    What I'm going to say is neither moral or immoral, rather amoral, but why would it be your fault if someone dies because you didn't kill the killer when you had the opportunity?
    You feel guilty, yes, but it's not something you did, more something you didn't do. You're responsible at worse, but not guilty.

    It might be trash, here's my point of view.
    Naruto is not selfish. Not entirely at least.
    He was totally selfish at VoTE back then. Like a kid who wants his candy, and nothing else matters around him (no weird image about Sasuke being Naruto's candy intended !)
    Now he really tries to find an answer. THE answer (which doesn't exist)
    And he does it for himself, as a matter of fact, but also for the people he loves (Konoha).
    It's like saying a guy who wants peace just because he doesn't like struggling is selfish ^^'

    It clearly lacks some new Naruto mental thoughts (and not only flashbacks) to support his actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    Yazen's going into apologist mode again. Nobody cares about Sakura being killed? Only among us readers. Naruto's 'rationality' is nothing more than selfish immaturity. Think about it. Even in the ninja world some things are just evil, like killing or torturing purely for personal gain rather than a legitimate cause. That's why Naruto never gave Orochimaru, Deidara, Kakuzu or even Madara(his first action was to Rasengan him) the benefit of the doubt. The sole reason he'd doing so for Sasuke is because Sasuke was, once upon a time, his friend.

    The Raikage is right here; Naruto's not acting like some great peace-loving humanitarian. He's just a selfish ass who's being lenient towards a murdering psychopath solely because he's unable to let go of his(and Kishimoto's) old Jesuke worship. Maybe he wouldn't be fit for Hokage if he couldn't save Sasuke, but if more innocent people end up getting murdered by Sasuke because Naruto went easy on him and let him escape then he'll be personally responsible for each of their deaths and will never be fit to be a Hokage. Not to mention he'll have a lot more begging, weeping and fainting to do.
    I think the problem mainly rests with the fact that we grew up reading naruto. And as we grew older, we changed and got a different perspective on life. So we expect Kishimoto to make naruto grow out of his selfish immaturity as a character also. But we forget that this is a shounen manga and a lot of 13-15 years have taken our place as primary readers to the manga so to them, naruto's actions might seem ok.
    But that still doesnt change the fact that i hate the naruto character's ghandi-like characteristics.

 

 
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