Page 10 of 11 FirstFirst ... 891011 LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 101
  1. #91
    krazykwasi is offline Senior Member Community Builder
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Houston, Tx babay!!!
    Posts
    3,572

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdfang View Post
    ^ Ah, but there's the catch. If Kishi DOES in fact kill karin and make Sasuke's transformation more epic, it will cause him to write even MORE about the psycho emo wonder in order to reveal more of his new nature, and nobody (sane) wants that.
    I could live with a lil more sasuke if he indeed DOES kill karin. I'd rather see more of the Dark Sith Lord Uchiha than the non training, hyperventilating, crying naruto kishi's been giving us as of late anytime. Either way after this sasuke Danzou fiasco is over kishi'll turn our attention to naruto for a lil bit, just so we could see how he's (hopefully) recovering and toughing up!

    "He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"

  2. #92
    Garvinaor is offline Junior Member Newbie
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    4

    Default

    I call this whole scene a illusion by danzo that jesuke saw through and killed danzo..... don't really believe kishi being man enough to kill of a character

  3. #93
    Neo Dravidian is offline Senior Member Well Known
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    ATL
    Posts
    254

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Garvinaor View Post
    I call this whole scene a illusion by danzo that jesuke saw through and killed danzo..... don't really believe kishi being man enough to kill of a character
    Jiraiya would like to speak with you......
    If you're half the man I am today, you're twice the man you were yesterday.

  4. #94
    bloodfall is offline Member Frequent Poster
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Campinas/Praia Grande, Brazil
    Posts
    48

    Default

    There were many deaths in Naruto. But the good guys have more plot-armor, so they are safer.
    Jiraya, Asuma, The third...

    Asuma were too much of a side character, but his death made shikamaru's badass-total-ownage over hiddan, which was pretty damn enjoyable.
    A man without god is just like a fish, without a bycicle

  5. #95
    Deathbringerpt is offline Senior Member Always Around
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    1,175

    Default

    If kishi wants to be, as you would say death, more consistent and believable he would have sasuke kill karin right now without much, if any, remorse. Why?? Because killing and turning your back on the ones you love for the greater good is the Uchiha's theme!! Itachi killed everyone; his parents, his best friend and even his lover, to complete a mission for the sake of his village not going into war.
    How is the Uchiha's theme anything of the sort? And how does even Sasuke's goal even matches that theme you're saying?

    Sasuke never fought for the greater good. Ever.

    And Itachi didn't turned his back on the one he loved the most remember? That's why Sasuke still is alive at this point and why Itachi sullied his entire life and became one of the most dangerous criminal in the country. So that Sasuke would kill him and return to Konoha as a hero. In the end, he sacrificed his entire being for the sake of the one he cared the most, which is the complete anti-thesis of what you're trying to say about the Uchiha. If not for Sasuke, Itachi would have remained as another faceless ninja on Anbu, doing his duty as he always did prior to the Uchiha massacre.

    Itachi is not and never was an "Avenger", unlike Madara and Sasuke.

    When Madara told him of Itachi's plan to glorify his brother in spite of his situation, he manipulated Sasuke into going against everything Itachi worked and gave his life for in order to set him in the same path as the "avenger" that Sasuke was about to drop and that Madara took so long ago.

    Madara himself (who sasuke is being made to emulate) became bitter towards and later turned his back, and practically killed, his entire clan just because they didn't agree with his ideals. Sasuke is next in line to follow the thread of Uchiha curse. Though i'd be able to live with it just for the sake of "its Kishi's story and not my own", it would totally suck if sasuke saves karin cause that would mean that he cares for her soo much that he'd save her no matter what. If kishi's smart he would have sasuke take karin's life right now and revel in his defeat over Danzou and care less at the fact that he killed karin.

    Sasuke saving karin's life would only make him more susceptible to being converted back to the light side by Naruto down the line.
    Are we reading the same story here?

    How many anti-heroes/ straight up villains has Naruto reformed on conviction and FRIENDSHIP speeches alone in the entire series? Naruto's overall theme is to let go of the chain of hate that's permanent on this series universe and Sasuke's supposed to be the the ultimate representation of that chain, even more so than Pain. And that's why they will both have a happy ending and Madara's monologue about destined rivalries and continued hatred will be subverted by Naruto.

    But point of the matter is is, nothing 's changed since Killer Bee's fight and the Danzou's fight except on the emphasis on DARKNESS and HATRED that were always in there from the get go ever since Sasuke learned of the truth surrounding Itachi.

    With Kishimoto making it crystal clear that, whether Sasuke wants it or not, he cares for his new team like he cared for the Kakashi team when he was a kid (And still does, as seen from his reaction when he saw the great Naruto bridge).

    If he starts killing people left and right just to speed up his revenge quest, that's still inconsistent with his character despite Kishimoto constant efforts to shove this DARKNESS bullshit down our throats.

    Anyone who get surprised when Sasuke gets reformed by Naruto in the end of the series either has crap reading skills or has alzheimer.

  6. #96
    krazykwasi is offline Senior Member Community Builder
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Houston, Tx babay!!!
    Posts
    3,572

    Default

    How is the Uchiha's theme anything of the sort? And how does even Sasuke's goal even matches that theme you're saying?

    Sasuke never fought for the greater good. Ever.
    That your right on, I worded it wrong. Unlike Itachi, sasuke never fought for "good" but what I should've said was its every major Uchiha's theme to follow the beat of their own drum and act according to their perception of "good", and if killing innocent people is what it takes to make that dream come through then so be it.


    And Itachi didn't turned his back on the one he loved the most remember? That's why Sasuke still is alive at this point and why Itachi sullied his entire life and became one of the most dangerous criminal in the country. So that Sasuke would kill him and return to Konoha as a hero. In the end, he sacrificed his entire being for the sake of the one he cared the most, which is the complete anti-thesis of what you're trying to say about the Uchiha. If not for Sasuke, Itachi would have remained as another faceless ninja on Anbu, doing his duty as he always did prior to the Uchiha massacre.
    Yes but Itachi, with the help of madara and I guess danzou, still had enough conviction to kill everyone else in his clan because he didn't like the way his people were doing things and his ideals of a peaceful life was worth more than his entire bloodline. Not gonna argue there, he spared sasuke's life cause he loved him WAY more than his clan or his village but that was sasuke and this is Karin we're talking about here. Are you insinuating that sasuke's love for Karin, or the rest of his teammates, are on the same level as Itachi's love for him? I said it once and i'd say it again, the ONLY person sasuke loves now is his dead brother! He loves him soo much that his entire campaign, to destroy konoha, is dedicated to him.


    How many anti-heroes/ straight up villains has Naruto reformed on conviction and FRIENDSHIP speeches alone in the entire series? Naruto's overall theme is to let go of the chain of hate that's permanent on this series universe and Sasuke's supposed to be the the ultimate representation of that chain, even more so than Pain. And that's why they will both have a happy ending and Madara's monologue about destined rivalries and continued hatred will be subverted by Naruto.
    Wow of course I know this -_-. Where did you see me say "sasuke saving Karin would mean that Naruto would convert him to good"! NO i said "sasuke saving Karin would make him more susceptible to being converted back to the good side". Sasuke is already going to let go of his hatred in the end but I think you misinterpreting why I said what I did. If sasuke was to "have a heart" and AVOID killing karin (even though she's directly in the way of him killing one of his most precious and hated targets) that would imply to the readers "hey sasuke isn't THAT evil afterall" but if he does kill her, or attacks regardless of her safety it will make sasuke seem uber determined and uber evil and it will make the inevitable naruto light side conversion even less probable (even though we as the readers know very well it WILL happen). Kishi already knows he's going to have naruto alleviate sasuke's hatred but by him having sasuke kill karin (even though she was his favorite) kishi would be building the suspense.


    If he starts killing people left and right just to speed up his revenge quest, that's still inconsistent with his character despite Kishimoto constant efforts to shove this DARKNESS bullshit down our throats.
    Check; it would be inconsistent with his character, as sasuke didn't like killing people that didn't have to be killed, but that was the old sasuke. What part of "character development" do you not get? How many more people do you need to have say "something's different with sasuke" for you to understand that his entire personality, as cold as it was before, is becoming even more so?

    Like seriously, its manga but theres alot more going on than what you see on the pages. Read between the lines and look beyond the pictures.
    Last edited by krazykwasi; 02-03-2010 at 09:44 AM.

    "He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"

  7. #97
    Kotoshi is offline Member Frequent Poster
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Anywhere but America
    Posts
    44

    Default

    this ain't shakespere.
    tl;dr
    no one cares about analyzing naruto. its just a manga.
    ur not gonna get an A in college/uni for analyzing this
    "Call me, "Broda." Think of Yoda, but instead of being little and green, I wear suits and I'm awesome."

  8. #98
    Deathbringerpt is offline Senior Member Always Around
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    1,175

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotoshi View Post
    this ain't shakespere.
    Who in the fuck said this?

    no one cares about analyzing naruto. its just a manga.
    Breaking news, people like to discuss stuff they read.

    More at 11.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kotoshi View Post
    ur not gonna get an A in college/uni for analyzing this
    Oh shit?! We aren't?! And i was working so hard on my Naruto thesis to pass computer engineering!!

    And by the way, we don't get letter based grades in university.
    Last edited by Deathbringerpt; 02-04-2010 at 04:33 AM.

  9. #99
    jwhiskey is offline Senior Member Well Known
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Right behind you! But donīt turn around or itīll piss me off
    Posts
    396

    Default

    Lol @ deathbringer. ^^


    chapter 481 is out early on onemanga



    So it seems Danzo died without doing anything special and even his final attack did absolutely nothing..... this just sucks!!! Danzo was suposed to be sarutobis rival and he's even the acting hokage. How could he just die so lamely. The whole "Oh no Sasuke can only use that jutsu for a short while since he starts to cough up blood and loses his eyesight" is worthless if Kishi just lets him do it until the end of the fight every time (Showing us some panels where he coughs blood now and then).

    I was expecting more from Danzo but then again I wasn't expecting too much from the manga......If this is the final conclusion it really bothers me.
    -Whale....Lion...? ....no..hmmm...elephant?......fish? ....Mom what do I have again?

    -Cancer Honey.

  10. #100
    krazykwasi is offline Senior Member Community Builder
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Houston, Tx babay!!!
    Posts
    3,572

    Default

    Damn Kotoshi, then how's a bored Structural Engineer supposed to have some fun nowadays besides studying and crunching numbers?? *back to analyzing his bridge*

    "He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"

 

 
Page 10 of 11 FirstFirst ... 891011 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
vBulletin Skin by: ForumThemes.com
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.0
Copyright © 2014 vBulletin Solutions, Inc. All rights reserved.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79