Well you gotta remember we are talking about people's stregth in their prime. And as it stands the third hokage seems to be the strongest person in "in his prime" that has been seen. If you don't agree what proof do you put forth? and in Sasuke's case his Sharingan is cool and all, but in all his fights he has reiceived some help from his cronies. In a full on 1 on 1 fight will any one of the people I placed above him I dont think he would fare so well... that being said perhaps he could go up maybe a rank but not much more as of now.
Originally Posted by The Witcher
i think the first hokage is the strongest in there prime... http://www.manga123.com/read/Naruto/398 with his power to beat madara and control the bijuu... i think he is...
Kabuchimaru for the simple fact that he is able to basically retcon all of Part II.
Kabuchimaru: Hey, Tobi! I wanna be friends. I know! I can basically say everything fight that occured is now null and void.
Kabuchimaru now displaces everyone else on the list now the the ridiculous hax of Edo Tensei has been reintroduced. He could just resurrect all the dead Kages/Akatsuki/Goddamn Rokudo-Sennin and own everybody else on the planet. Including Madara, who for some reason he still wants to ally with.
I'M NO HERO, BELIEVE IT!
to me honestly many of you may hate me for this but i still say naruto hands down. why? because he is the only character that has been continuously nerfed. think about it ppl. if naruto learned to control his bijuu he would be unbeatable as well as his thousand clone army plus his very strong chakra not to mention his huge chakra reserves. his adaptation in his fights, his determination and will to persevere. lots of hax have been shared out in the manga but yet naruto still finds ways around them. while being restricted by kishi time and time again. kishi keeps raping naruto's strength cuz if naruto were to actually master his skill set he would totally own everyone with even kage bunshin and strategy alone. let's not forget he is minato's son with only half of his power until kishi wills it otherwise. i love all the other candidates as well for obvious reasons but naruto all the way for me. ppl please remember that sharingan hax always seem stronger but many ninja fought and defeated many a sharingan user in this manga eg. maito guy, jiraiya hashirama etc. uchihas are kishi's playthings
Last edited by Kyuubi clone; 04-05-2010 at 11:26 AM.
even naruto at full power is still vulnerable to genjutsu and his bijuu can be controlled by various people, so nah..
As for the Edo Tense making Kabuto on top, well, we didn't really put that into the equation with Orochimaru, who could do similar..
That makes me wonder.. Orochimaru should have used it against Itachi when he wanted his eyes. If he summoned the 1st at that time (well I imagine the 1st has some kind of barrier against MS powers, since he fought with Madara..) he could have won.
Speaking of which, why did Orochimaru want Itachi's eyes so badly anyway, when he was helping Danzo with his stack of Sharingans. Makes no sense damn it.
as i said before naruto has been constantly nerfed to lengthen the story but he has the most power in his skill-set... now all we're waiting for is for kishi to allow naruto to grow. as for your genjutsu argument we have all seen how a fully controlled bijuu can help out with that. also he has trained to fight against sharingan by guy and jiraiya. everyone needs hax to beat/compare to naruto-- u know this as it has been shown in the manga... sasuke, pain, madara, kakuzu, etc. as for madara controlling his bijuu... he could not defeat hashirama even though he could control the kyuubi. kyuubi is not the end all and be all in the narutoverse... naruto will overcome it as he has done with every battle obstacle that he has faced thus far
Your arguement is that Naruto could have been stronger if Kishi let him. But that's obvious, Kishi can do whatever he wants, he could make Konohamaru the strongest, but we're not talking about a list of "what ifs".
About this great genjustu training from Gai and Jiraiya (when did he get training from Gai anyway?):
a) this training was before his first post-time skip confrontation with Sasuke where he in an instant went into Naruto's mind and easily inhibited the Kyubi chakra, and this was just regular sharingan genjutsu.
b) it was before Naruto fell into fake-Itachi's genjutsu simply with a point of his finger, and needed to be rescued by Sakura and Chiyo
c) he was again caught in a genjutsu by Itachi (crow throat scene)
Sure, Killerbee has shown that if your bijuu is on your side, he can wake you up from it. So maybe after the next training arc, Naruto may be better against it, but even so he isn't that strong. Nagato would have easily beaten him if all his weaknesses weren't exploited by the whole village beforehand.
You can blame kishi for nerfing, and call things like the sharingan power 'hax' or whatever, but that's just ridiculous. Even if you don't like or agree with it, things are established as Kishi writes it, no more no less.
In the end.
for crying out loud.
I hope Kishi do a Killer Bee x Naruto team up!
Kabuchimaru is currently the "second" strongest character in Naruto history, all because of Edo Tensei.