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    Nicholas71 is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    ^Yes! Urameshi's been quiet so long I almost forgot he used to be here...wait, make that Urameshi-sama. Haha.

    Actually that's a good point masterrabit, would Killerbee get hurt by his own black shroud form? When it comes to Naruto it seems that the Kyuubi's so evil and malicious that its chakra is equally bad...so it hurts Naruto. The Hachibi doesn't seem so evil but then again we wouldn't know - it could've still been bad before it was sealed. It doesn't seem as predisposed to being malicious - or maybe you could say it has a sense of humour. Either way, I can't say for sure if that has anything to do with his chakra shroud appearing to not hurt Killerbee. Possibly it requires control over the chakra to avoid any damage.

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    Didn't Bee lose his skin first time he transformed?
    I'M NO HERO, BELIEVE IT!

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    "You have other hearts trapped within you as well, dont you?"
    "You're that guy from last time! What are you talking about?!"
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    "Hearts trapped within me....?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas71 View Post
    ^I agree. Everyone's arguments are at least somewhat biased to what they believe in - or choose to believe in. That's not to say that the points brought up by any side have any less value in terms of fact but the reality is that when people argue they argue for their side. Rather like in a court case where each side does their best to put forward a convincing argument that supports their stand, the purpose of which is that everyone else gets to see ALL the points put forward and make a decision themselves as to what the verdict is. If we only had one side saying that something is definitely a certain way (and even if that side is correct) then we're just not getting the whole picture, which is the point of having arguments by both sides.

    So I'm all for just putting forward views even if they clash and even if some of them verge on the irrational - we're all intelligent enough, I'm sure, to filter out the crap arguments ourselves and take the good points and form our own views and conclusions in the end (even if a post happens to be largely irrational and from an unusually biased party, it doesn't mean there aren't real facts to be considered there).

    Speaking of Naruto and the Kyuubi, I agree that while eventually Naruto will probably embark on training to further his Kyuubi control and perhaps even somehow regain the other half of the Kyuubi's chakra, I don't think that it's the only course of action Naruto can take now. It does seem like it's a natural progression because I can't think of many other techniques or things that Naruto would seem to learn (other than learning a one-handed Rasengan) but you never know; I'm sure many of us thought even way way back in the series that he would learn some more control, perhaps after the Gaara plot where he first picked up some control over the chakra. As for myself I would like to see Naruto maximising the potential of the Kyuubi chakra, although I'd actually prefer he tidy up his jutsus in general first (learning a proper Rasengan and having at least a few generic wind jutsus he can rely on instead of spamming Rasenshuriken all the time, just to name a few). It's not to say that Naruto can't do without more jutsus, because I do believe one of Naruto's defining characteristics is how he always makes do and creatively uses his Kagebunshins in ways that no one ever does. Having one technique that you can use extremely well and in a multitude of ways is better than having multitudes of techniques that you can't use with such ingenuity. Still, it would make for some nice variety to see him using some new techniques too - though if he ever learns genjutsu that'll be the day.
    First, I want to say the first part of your post was really nice to read, thanks

    I agree that everything in the manga (and "everyone" important to Naruto : Jiraya and his father meant it, maybe witht he exception of Kakashi because it harms Naruto for now) concurs to the fact that Naruto has to learn Kyubi, that's a given.
    On the one hand, I really hope that he will learn more about Bijuu's control, but on the other hand in my conception of the manga, Kyubi's control won't be enough to save the world, and that's the little something Naruto has that will really make the difference.
    Well, that's how I would like things happen (thus it's biased )

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    ^Haha thanks. Everyone's biased but it's when people impose their opinions on others too much that it gets annoying...thankfully this forum is actually quite...sane? It's why I'm here

    Actually you reminded me of something Yamato told Naruto earlier...not to use the Kyuubi's power and rely on his own strength. Of course I do not take that to mean he's not supposed to learn some Kyuubi control (Yamato only said so because he noticed it was hurting Naruto) but I do realise that the Kyuubi may not be enough. Naruto will learn control, hopefully, he'll become stronger and all but I can't help but feel that when he does save the situation in the end it'll be on his own strength - his own strength in controlling the Kyuubi, perhaps, or something else.

    Didn't Bee lose his skin first time he transformed?
    Yeah, he did, now you mention it...

    Well this time when he used Lariat it was instantaneous (to us, anyway) so we might not have seen it. Plus he probably has high-speed regeneration too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholas71 View Post
    Speaking of Naruto and the Kyuubi, I agree that while eventually Naruto will probably embark on training to further his Kyuubi control and perhaps even somehow regain the other half of the Kyuubi's chakra, I don't think that it's the only course of action Naruto can take now. It does seem like it's a natural progression because I can't think of many other techniques or things that Naruto would seem to learn (other than learning a one-handed Rasengan) but you never know; I'm sure many of us thought even way way back in the series that he would learn some more control, perhaps after the Gaara plot where he first picked up some control over the chakra. As for myself I would like to see Naruto maximising the potential of the Kyuubi chakra, although I'd actually prefer he tidy up his jutsus in general first (learning a proper Rasengan and having at least a few generic wind jutsus he can rely on instead of spamming Rasenshuriken all the time, just to name a few). It's not to say that Naruto can't do without more jutsus, because I do believe one of Naruto's defining characteristics is how he always makes do and creatively uses his Kagebunshins in ways that no one ever does. Having one technique that you can use extremely well and in a multitude of ways is better than having multitudes of techniques that you can't use with such ingenuity. Still, it would make for some nice variety to see him using some new techniques too - though if he ever learns genjutsu that'll be the day.

    True, Naruto mastering the Kyuubi chakra would be phenomenal but thats not all he'll need so putting all our eggs in that basket wouldn't be all to good. The relationship between the Uchiha and the Kyuubi are still yet to be fully revealed but because if it i dont think a naruto depending on kyuubi power would be the best approach for our orange jump suited hero. Wouldn't it suck if naruto undergoes a ground breaking training arc to control it only to have Sasuke or Madara use their eyes to subdue it? He'll have to get better at SM and everything else along the way as well. A sage training journey of some sorts, similar to jiraiya's, would be awesome. *Naruto, Bee and Samehada travels the ninja world* hmmmm. Sounds like a dynamic duo to me

    Quote Originally Posted by masterrabbit View Post
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/471/10/but is that all there is too it?, control? Does it still not damage the users body, and if so wouldnt even a naruto with a controlled V2 still be killing himself slowly, or would the control itself stop the damage to the body? Maybe Killerbee covers his whole body with a chakra shroud of his own before going into V2 which would stop the damage to his body?

    Very good point. Regardless of whether or not they go into full Bijuu mode or not wasn't it stated by Yamato and Sakura that when Naruto (and seemingly bee) goes into the V2 Black form its actually their evaporating blood, cause their skin is being burnt off when they go that form, mixed with their Bijuu's chakra that covers their body, hence the cloak is black?? It doesn't do anything to them at that moment but the continuous use of it was said to damaged them on a molecular level hence shortening their lifespan.

    And yes Rabbit, you and Urameshi-sama have been gone for a while.


    Bringing up theories and such is fine.... but its just when people start getting pig heading and discrediting others is when its gets bad and pointless.

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    the introduction of Bee/Raikage
    really had change this manga alot

    more then the penis boy Sai.

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    Cause the intro of Bee showed us what Naruto could possibility become and the intro of the Rai man showed us that sasuke isn't as invincible as he started out looking. Both points are good for Naruto.

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    ^Well, if Sasuke would have been on par with the Raikage, Kishi would have sucked xDD

 

 
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