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    I want him to master it but i dont think it'll be, as much as i'd hate to say it, as easy as a KB training arc. The MAIN reason KB has so much success at what he does with Hachibi is because of their personal relationship. There're like friends/teammates. KB STILL has to ask for permission to use it's power (we've seen naruto ask the kyuubi for power before). The first key to naruto gaining control is naruto and kyuubi coming to some kind of middle ground via internal comversation (haha naruto's going to have to go into serious Obama/Ghandi mode to persuade the kyuubi) if he wants to be half the Jinchu KB is. It may not be impossible but Kishi is going to have to be extra creative with how he does it. Right now it seems unlikely given the Kyuubi's hate for everything but maybe when the people who heard Madara's plan tell naruto why madara wants the kyuubi he himself would prob be scared so he'll agree to lend naruto his power to better defend himself. The kyuubi should be smart enough to know that he's safer and harder to catch in naruto's body (even though he hates him) than free from him. And chances are naruto'll have to be in SM or something to control it cause as Kisame said he was amazed at how KB could contain the 8 tails's from in such a compact package without losing himself. This comes to the 2nd key to controlling a bijuu because it seems like the chakra of the tailed beast overwhelms the Jinchu so the more chakra pumped in the more krazy the and berzerk the jinchu gets. A KB naruto training arc might invovle strick chakra control so when naruto gets alot of chakra in his body, like he did against pein when he went 6 tails, he'll still have control. For KB to go all 8 tails in that small form is a testament to his strenght as his body is strong enough to take in the Bijuu chakra and still be ok (prob a reason he has so much muscle mass). Naruto'll def. need a SM boast to help keep those kind of chakras in check....but with that being said it's gonna suck because if he needs SM t help control Kyuubi then that'll be another limit as he has a limit to SM itself.

    And honestly speaking this plot is at a crossroads. Kishi could have kisame win... as to make madara seem THAT much closer to his goal and tense up the storyline even more or he can have KB WIn and have him teach naruto a thing or 2. Either option would be good for the plot. Kisame seems fuked cause his shirt is off (lol) but theres a first time for everything. For once im not too sure how it will go and im happy bout it . Time to just sit back and be surprised for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaraOKe-IT View Post
    ...By not having this qualities I see it impossible for Naruto to control the 9tails, also it will make me really annoyed if naruto could come from -random 3, 4, 5 months or wte- training and beeing able to control the 9tails like Kb can.
    See here, you've actually listed some of the reasons why Naruto needs Kyuubi control. And how else do you expect him to control it without a training arc? We know from years of experience that even with the clone shortcut available Naruto never learns anything new unless someone trains him.

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    So yeah... as for me I still prefer the Naruto underdog, why? Cuz something that is imperfect has unlimited potential to grow n.n (and I also hate and get really annoyed by the: "Look at me, didnt do shit in the past months but I can still use S-rank techniques way better that the inventors and the only thing I had to do was look them once! cof, cof... Sasuke...)
    What exactly do you mean by 'underdog' here? Do you mean someone who's weaker than all his peers and who nobody expects to win? Then I'm afraid that time has passed and you're better off re-reading old chapters, because from all the other characters' hype about Naruto's growth(forced or not) that simply isn't possible.

    But by 'underdog' if you simply mean someone who's strong but still markedly weaker than his enemies then that can easily be accomplished even with Kyuubi Naruto: after all it's not like there aren't any S-rank ninjas who can't hold their own against a jinchuuriki.

    And the 'Kyuubi is evil' argument; that's the only one I haven't de-constructed yet. Let me ask you this: instead of simply assuming the Kyuubi is evil, have any of you ever stopped to consider why it has so much contempt for Naruto and other ninjas? Consider its past experiences with mankind: Decades of being enslaved by Shodaime and Madara to do their dirty work followed by 12 years of being sealed away with no contact with any other sentient being. Then finally someone talks to it: a whiny arrogant kid who only wants its power and insults it every chance he gets.

    I'm not saying the Kyuubi's really a good beast at heart, but if Naruto could convert Pain using Jiraiya's rejected philosophy, I'm sure he could make the Kyuubi more reasonable if he actually sat down(metaphorically) and talked things through with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    And the 'Kyuubi is evil' argument; that's the only one I haven't de-constructed yet. Let me ask you this: instead of simply assuming the Kyuubi is evil, have any of you ever stopped to consider why it has so much contempt for Naruto and other ninjas? Consider its past experiences with mankind: Decades of being enslaved by Shodaime and Madara to do their dirty work followed by 12 years of being sealed away with no contact with any other sentient being. Then finally someone talks to it: a whiny arrogant kid who only wants its power and insults it every chance he gets.

    I'm not saying the Kyuubi's really a good beast at heart, but if Naruto could convert Pain using Jiraiya's rejected philosophy, I'm sure he could make the Kyuubi more reasonable if he actually sat down(metaphorically) and talked things through with it.
    Exacta witcher. It could be done by Obama naruto. roflmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    See here, you've actually listed some of the reasons why Naruto needs Kyuubi control. And how else do you expect him to control it without a training arc? We know from years of experience that even with the clone shortcut available Naruto never learns anything new unless someone trains him.
    When I was talking about "random" training, I wasn't saying that he doesnt needs training, I was pointing out (to bad that the "point out" stayed in my head and I didnt write it <sry about that) that he needs to train by himself rediscovering his potential and hopefully by doing that he can start to contol the 9tails or even better create a new jutsu (although I'm always happy when seeing the "next levele" rassengan Naruto comes everynow and then)


    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    But by 'underdog' if you simply mean someone who's strong but still markedly weaker than his enemies then that can easily be accomplished even with Kyuubi Naruto: after all it's not like there aren't any S-rank ninjas who can't hold their own against a jinchuuriki.
    Yes, I was refering mainly to this kind of "underdog".

    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    And the 'Kyuubi is evil' argument; that's the only one I haven't de-constructed yet. Let me ask you this: instead of simply assuming the Kyuubi is evil, have any of you ever stopped to consider why it has so much contempt for Naruto and other ninjas? Consider its past experiences with mankind: Decades of being enslaved by Shodaime and Madara to do their dirty work followed by 12 years of being sealed away with no contact with any other sentient being. Then finally someone talks to it: a whiny arrogant kid who only wants its power and insults it every chance he gets.

    I'm not saying the Kyuubi's really a good beast at heart, but if Naruto could convert Pain using Jiraiya's rejected philosophy, I'm sure he could make the Kyuubi more reasonable if he actually sat down(metaphorically) and talked things through with it.
    Woh, got me there ^^ yeah... u could say that I'm prejudicing the 9tails. Fair enough, I really dont remember about Shodaime enslaving/controling the 9tails but comming to think about it he did have the wood sealing that is using the clone guy at the moment.. and well beeing Shondaime the real stuff... yes, he could have been able to do it, alright I give u that too ^^
    Back to the "nasty 9tails" debate, the moment that Rikudou Sennin divided the Juubi and created the 9tails and the others. One(self) seeing as how Evil the the Juubi itself[*1] was, can't think of the 9tails us a "may-be" good being. Thinking in a rational way: If subject A takes more "mass/essence" from subject B than what subject C could take, then subject A will have to be more similar to subject B <= that is the base of this "theory" the advanced part of this would be that: Subject A is already a part of subject B therefore all he takes is all he will be (knowing that this "subject A" didnt exist until the division of the Jubbi) and knowing that the Jubbi was the main Armageddon in Naruto's world... I will have to say that the 9tails isnt other than the reincarnation of the precedent Armageddon seeing as how he took most of the essence of the Jubbi.

    I really don't know if I made myself clear in this last statement, if not i'm sorry in advance, and I'll be happy to try to make myself more clear in the editing.

    Edit: *1 himself to itself.
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    This is a great fight and all, and Kisame does have his cloak off, but something tells me that Kisame is gonna win this fight. The freaky fish guy has way too many connections to die off just yet, he's spoken to madara before and the people from Kiri are treating him like thier own orochimaru... which does make sense in a way. My guess is that either Kisame wins or something happens and KB manages to run away.

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    Of course the Kyuubi is just a misunderstood fox spirit of daikaijū proportions. Has anyone ever bothered listening to its side of the story? It's always "kill it, seal it, enslave it." No wonder the Kyuubi is so pissed off. Maybe an offering of inari-zushi or daifuku would sweeten its disposition.

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    So that's why Kisame is a walking fish-man, the Samehada fusing with him on a regular basis probably gradualy transformed into what he is nowadays, especially since a full fusion with the sword makes him literally a water shark.

    He's much more of a power house than i initially though, despite most of that credit going to Samehada than his actual ninja skills.

    And i loved how the Mist village protected the Byakugan eye of that veteran Ninja with super seals and the Anbu guy ended up trying to decapitate him in order to take it away.

    The way the mist ninja ended up fucking with the Anbu's ninja head and not the other way around was pretty damn awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathbringerpt View Post
    The way the mist ninja ended up fucking with the Anbu's ninja head and not the other way around was pretty damn awesome.
    Well, for now on, we don't know for sure if Ao is just bluffing. But that's a good move for sure. Danzo or Mizukage can as well arrive in time.
    Kishi did a pretty (though classic) good cliffhanger on the situation

    Anyway, I really enjoyed to read the last comments, especially the perspective The Witcher gave us. No wonder why Kyubi can have a little grudge against humankind...

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    With the comment "eyes with such power and chakra even more sinister then my own" I would lean more to the fact that he is evil, yes he's pissed off that he has been used over and over again by people but sinister is a word that is never used for something good, and seen as he said it himself i'll take his word for it.

    I wonder how long this battle is gonna stay under water because I don't think Sabu is gonna have an easy time swinging that axe in that dome, and can the octopus part of KBee keep him under longer.

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    Oh come on guys, the Kyuubi IS supposed to be the baddest MOFO out there. The Juubi was THE BADDEST MOFO, the Kyuubi just took the most from him. The Kyuubi probably killed people etc. even before he was "misused" as a weapon by Madara and The First xD

    But IŽll lawl if this is the way Kishi is going with the Kyuubi ( I mean, what The Witcher said...)

 

 
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