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    Quote Originally Posted by x20a View Post
    Idk man, that kinda seems like a soft statement from the kyuubi. Kyuubi doesn't come off as a nice guy who tells people not to kill people or they'll regret it because of guilt. It seems like more of a 'don't you ever do this' kinda threat. And with Witcher's reminder that if the host dies, the tailed beast dies as well, I think Kyuubi cares more about his own life than Sasuke's guilt over Naruto's death.
    exactly, it was the kyubi's last ditch effort at persuasion, probably motivated by self-preservation.. Also if you watch how the anime dealt with this scene, you can see that the kyubi doesn't say it in a threatening way, but as a word of advice as it fades away.
    Irrespective of whether you think it's out of character for the kyubi, this makes much more sense than the alternative of the Kyubi threatening Sasuke about something Sasuke (and more importantly the audience) doesn't even understand..
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    At that time we didn't know ANYTHING bout Madara other than the fact that sasuke reminded the kyuubi of him, but given the way the situation is going im going to believe that the Kyuubi knew something about madara and his malicious ways and in order to stop him naruto's power would be the key. Hense he warned sasuke that killing naruto would be stupid.

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    you're missing the point that Sasuke doesn't know anything about this Madara thing either.

    Let me give you an example, lets pretend that you're about to kill me, but I have your parents locked up in my basement. If you kill me, nobody's going to find them. But upon you about to kill me, would I simply say "Don't kill me, you'll regret it"?
    Of course not, because you don't even know what the hell you would be regretting, because I haven't even told you about your parents. An unexplained warning is pointless.
    However the warning didn't need explanation, because it is logical to anyone reading it, that he's talking about Sasuke regretting killing his friend.

    It was no way a precursor to the events happening a year later about all this bijuu unity crap, to think that is to give the writer way too much undeserved credit. Similar to if you were covering up a writer's plotholes, is to try and give such subtle things all this intended purpose. Get real. I think it's quite obvious that Kishi hadn't planned that far ahead at that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    At that time we didn't know ANYTHING bout Madara other than the fact that sasuke reminded the kyuubi of him, but given the way the situation is going im going to believe that the Kyuubi knew something about madara and his malicious ways and in order to stop him naruto's power would be the key. Hense he warned sasuke that killing naruto would be stupid.
    Thats pretty much what I was thinking.

    Does the kyuubi know that he is apart of the Juubi, and if he does is this the reason why he warned Sasuke about killing Naruto.

    Quote Originally Posted by danzo View Post
    you're missing the point that Sasuke doesn't know anything about this Madara thing either.

    Let me give you an example, lets pretend that you're about to kill me, but I have your parents locked up in my basement. If you kill me, nobody's going to find them. But upon you about to kill me, would I simply say "Don't kill me, you'll regret it"?
    Of course not, because you don't even know what the hell you would be regretting, because I haven't even told you about your parents. An unexplained warning is pointless.
    However the warning didn't need explanation, because it is logical to anyone reading it, that he's talking about Sasuke regretting killing his friend.

    It was no way a precursor to the events happening a year later about all this bijuu unity crap, to think that is to give the writer way too much undeserved credit. Similar to if you were covering up a writer's plotholes, is to try and give such subtle things all this intended purpose. Get real. I think it's quite obvious that Kishi hadn't planned that far ahead at that time.
    You cant really say it's underserved credit because we DONT know if he planned this a year or years ago, this could be something he always had planned but just didn't know how to make it work.

    In the very first databook there is a picture of Jiraiya in Sage Mode and one of Naruto standing on a toad with a scroll on his back, there is also a picture of a Raccoon that looks just like Ponta and a man with an axe on his back that looks very similar to the one Sabu has now. Now if he had all those Ideas in his head way back in the very first databook, what makes you that kishi hadn't planned this a year or so ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzo View Post
    you're missing the point that Sasuke doesn't know anything about this Madara thing either.

    It was no way a precursor to the events happening a year later about all this bijuu unity crap, to think that is to give the writer way too much undeserved credit. Similar to if you were covering up a writer's plotholes, is to try and give such subtle things all this intended purpose. Get real. I think it's quite obvious that Kishi hadn't planned that far ahead at that time.
    Its not a matter of how far kishi planned ahead with the Jyuubi an all that but its a simple literary device called "foreshadowing". Dont get me wrong im not trying to put kishi on a pedestal or anything but its a simple, frequently used, literary device. And yes i do believe the Kyuubi's warning to be a precursor of the events to come in terms of Madara (not nes with the Jyuubi and all that moon babble but more of a safe open ended way to say "hey kids the Kyuubi seems to know something about an impending doom"). This is a manga and stuff like that goes on all the time. If not then he wouldn't have brought up sasuke and his resemblence to madara that time. Once again when sasuke and the Kyuubi met that time their convo was like it was like water under a bridge and us readers were like "hmmm wonder what the kyuubi meant" but nowadays with all this development taking place and given the, yet still unclear, relationship with the ninetails and madara if u think Kyuubi's words was in connection to naruto and sasuke's "friendship" then so be it. He, as a writer, did good in that chapter cause he gave us a new, obviously krazy strong character, to ponder about (with the Kyuubi's phrase connecting Madara to "sinister chakra") and the kyuubi's final message. I personally believe that the Kyuubi was forshadowing a possible, and quiet frankly LIKELY, collaboration between naruto and sasuke to stop the madara. Its the most obvious thing since sliced bread -_-

    Sorry... i practically spoiled the ending for everyone now O yea danzou and to say "its not logical to _____" about a manga is just... well you know what im going to say. Dont get me wrong i understand what your trying to say but for the sake of manga and suspense etc logic goes out the window. If "logic" was prevalent in this manga then it'll be a boring one cause half the decisions made are illogical and wouldn't make sense in the real world :/ So to say "it cant be like that cause its illogical" isn't grounds to disprove something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krazykwasi View Post
    Its not a matter of how far kishi planned ahead with the Jyuubi an all that but its a simple literary device called "foreshadowing". Dont get me wrong im not trying to put kishi on a pedestal or anything but its a simple, frequently used, literary device. And yes i do believe the Kyuubi's warning to be a precursor of the events to come in terms of Madara (not nes with the Jyuubi and all that moon babble but more of a safe open ended way to say "hey kids the Kyuubi seems to know something about an impending doom"). This is a manga and stuff like that goes on all the time. If not then he wouldn't have brought up sasuke and his resemblence to madara that time. Once again when sasuke and the Kyuubi met that time their convo was like it was like water under a bridge and us readers were like "hmmm wonder what the kyuubi meant" but nowadays with all this development taking place and given the, yet still unclear, relationship with the ninetails and madara if u think Kyuubi's words was in connection to naruto and sasuke's "friendship" then so be it. He, as a writer, did good in that chapter cause he gave us a new, obviously krazy strong character, to ponder about (with the Kyuubi's phrase connecting Madara to "sinister chakra") and the kyuubi's final message. I personally believe that the Kyuubi was forshadowing a possible, and quiet frankly LIKELY, collaboration between naruto and sasuke to stop the madara. Its the most obvious thing since sliced bread -_-

    Sorry... i practically spoiled the ending for everyone now O yea danzou and to say "its not logical to _____" about a manga is just... well you know what im going to say. Dont get me wrong i understand what your trying to say but for the sake of manga and suspense etc logic goes out the window. If "logic" was prevalent in this manga then it'll be a boring one cause half the decisions made are illogical and wouldn't make sense in the real world :/ So to say "it cant be like that cause its illogical" isn't grounds to disprove something.

    *applause* what an awesome post!
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    ^ Yes, I agree. A very awesome text wall

    But yes, thatīs gotta be it. And krazy, your spoiler isnīt a spoiler. Itīs probably a fact lol xDD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luphrecio
    *applause* what an awesome post!
    That was exactly my reaction when I read Krazy's post!

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDemon View Post
    ^ Yes, I agree. A very awesome text wall

    But yes, thatīs gotta be it. And krazy, your spoiler isnīt a spoiler. Itīs probably a fact lol xDD
    I think it's really likely things gonna be like that. Wonder if Naruto and Kyubi are gonna have a talk together soon.

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    BTW
    Did anyone notice that there are two SAIs there?!

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/470/07/
    (see the top right panel!)

    Looks like he's gonna tell Naruto the truth.

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    Or maybe he's spying Naruto and Co. to hear what they know about Sasuke and Madara and then go and tell Sakura and the others...

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