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    Kyuubi clone is offline Senior Member Frequent Poster
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    sure right he's hardcore like that but only to lesser ninja. he ran like a bitch-ass from the summit tho. activating that seal will only make the other ninja h8 him even more. creating an even more tense civil-war type situation in konoha especially with the younger generation

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    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    I hate going off topic but just to clear this whole Kishi plot talk.

    Kishi has said many times that he has the overall plot for the manga, but because of the editor he has to change the way he goes about things, sometimes in the middle of his plot he has to add things because he's been asked and because it's a weekly manga he has to make stuff up along the way to hit deadlines. Most of us should know this already because he's been asked to make back stories on Juugo, Karin and Suigetsu.

    So does he have the plot figured out, Yes.
    Does he always follow it, No because he's been asked to add to it.
    In my opinion, that still ainŽt no excuse for him. If youŽd look at One Piece, youŽd see that everything (well at least 99% =P) works good. I donŽt know if OdaŽs asked to do as many changes, but hey , if you fuck up your own manga, then it IS your fault. And the editors are dumb too....

    Cuz I mean , he has enough money already (or he already had them 5 years ago...). So even if there wouldnŽt have been that much Uchiha plot and the sales would haven been lower, he still wouldnŽt have died of hunger and he would have sticked to his damn story xD.

    Anyways, I only hope heŽll make the war cool....

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    to me this war just seems so rushed and unrealistic. i'm still upset that he killed off jiraiya so stupidly after rating him up to be so badass. orochimaru was pwned by sasuke and he was also supposed to be a legendary sanin as well. These guys were hyped up to be so great only to be cut down like mere genin in battle despite the enormous battle experience and abilities. kakashi was also seriously nerfed cuz it seems like he only uses the sharingan and gets really tired in battle, and this is the legendary sharingan kakashi we're talking about - he's supposed to know over 1000 jutsu but yet he's always tired after using kamui. the manga just continues to contradict itself as it goes on. i understand that the younger generation is supposed to surpass the older one but still there should be some sort of balance for the sake of the story. kishi should just go back to his original formula and forget these money-hungry editors at shonen cuz sometimes the story can seriously suffer in terms of continuity.

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    I don't see the war as unrealistic because we don't even know how it's gonna start off, maybe when I see how it all starts then I might change my mind. There is a reason to why he told them his plan, do really think he would tell them so much if he's not expecting them to act a certain way and do you really think he expected the kages to give up Naruto & Killer Bee. He already knew what they would say before he even told them the plan and asked for Naruto & Bee.

    Jiraiya was my favorite character but he needed to die and I don't think he killed him off stupidly that imo has to be one of the best deaths and he was a badass. The Kakashi thing as been explained so many times now.

    @BlueDemon: Of course thats no excuse but fans play a huge part when it comes to manga, when a character becomes very popular the plot sometimes has to be change for them, this happened with Sasuke until he wasnt the favorite anymore and kisame was to die long ago but he became popular aswel.

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    i agree that he needed to die for naruto's growth. what im upset about is that these guys were billed as top-tier characters but somehow later on in the manga they became nerfed way below what they were hyped up to be. i do agree that it was the best hero death in the manga thus far. i just did not like the way it was done cuz i was expecting so much more from him in that battle with pein. with kakashi i just believe that he has so much more jutsus that he should be able to use but yet he's been spamming kamui only to end up tired in battle. he is touted as a brilliant ninja, yet he puts himself at such a disadvantage. i too think that madara has everyone playing into his hand right now. he obviously has this planned down to the last detail.

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    Meh, i liked the chapter, the backstory was pretty immersing and the Madara's plan is pretty interesting.

    And i don't really know what the hell people were expecting from Madara besides a "controlling the world" villain.

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    Well to be fair Kyuubi Jiraiya's death was nothign short of epic, imho. He went up against 6 guys at once!! Not to mention he killed 3 of them only to be surprised bum f**ked by 3 others that he had no idea existed, not to mention when that happened he lost an arm in the process. And keep in mind that the person that killed him also killed Hanzo, and him, tsunade AND orochi, couldn't handle that one guy let alone Jiraiya by himself.

    Now orochimaru's death on the other hand was pathetic. I understand he was sick an all but he didn't get a badass death battle like Jiraiya did, which was upsetting to me because i like Orochimaru more than Jiraiya :/

    Im looking forward to how madara's final scene from last chapter plays out. Who's going to jump him first *raises hands* dips on Raikage. lol

    "He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"

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    i agree with you guys about j-man's death. i guess i liked him too much. i really wanna see naruto own - really own somebody that is kage level. sasuke is gonna get butt-f**ked from madara then he'll put itachi's sharingan to plug his leaking arse. (jk) hey kwasi i accepted your request today - i just got it actually. i was not in work for the last 5 days.
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    Everyone's been saying that the editor's been asking kishi to add shit to the story... but what exactly was said stuff? I don't think we can make a good estimate of how badly the mans screwed up until we find out what he's been forced to add... I know he HAS screwed up, but to what degree is actually his fault is still up for discussion in my opinion

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    Jiraya's death built Naruto's character. It was a good death. 'nuff said.

    Kakashi's death built Kakashi's own character, and also revealed Kakashi's face - since everyone in the Naruto world looks almost exactly like their parents.

    Orochimaru's death wasn't that bad imo. We all knew he was at death's door, and HAD to do that body switching justu right when Sasuke betrayed him. I think Kabuto was already prepping the spells and stuff? I could be wrong though, I don't remember it that well. Orochi's death freed Sasuke so that he could move on with his own story.

    Pein's death was pretty bad. I didn't like how it was executed by Kishi. However, regardless, it did build Naruto's character a bit. It taught him more about the cycle of hatred, etc. and gave him a new cause rather than just wanting to be Hokage. That alone did a lot to the manga; it sent it in a new direction.

    I just hope Madara's eventual death will be nothing short of amazing. I'm assuming everyone and their mom will be involved, and naruto will do a super spirit bo- rasengan.

 

 
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