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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    It could always be that Anko left the village with Orochimaru and came back after he gave her the seal. It was never mentioned as far as I know that she did or didn't leave with him or when he gave her the seal.
    That doesn't matter, whenever Orochimaru left Konoha, it must have been before the 4th died (he left because he couldn't have been the hokage after all, he got careless after he learned that he wouldn't get the job).

    That means that he left at at the very least 12 to 13 years prior to part I (probably earlier, no reason to stay if he can't be the hokage after all).

    From what we've seen, it's reasonable to expect that Juugo is in Sasuke's generation, but logically the earliest age at which he could have chosen to go to Orochimaru would have been when he was around 10 (I'm being generous here, even a guy that turns into a monster shouldn't be wandering around when he's 10 years old). This wounld mean that he's currently in his twenties, which doesn't fit the fact that Sasuke, Suigetsu, and Karin all speak of him as a contemporary, not to mention that he doesn't look that old either.

    I don't think that the seal is a prototype because I want to, in my opinion it's just preferable to any other explanations that recognizes the time line problem.
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    Oro left because it was discovered what he was doing. The manga even shows that.

    And age in a manga can be a hard thing to judge.
    Most characters look rather young unless they are as old as Sandaime.

    Kakashi for example could look the same way he did when he was 30, when he will be 40 or even 45.

    The timeline problem alone, if there is one, makes a weak argument for a completely new theory.
    Because I gave you simple explanations for every other point.


    I'm not saying you can't be right. To be fair, I don't know the databooks. Maybe there has been a clear track of the timeline that I don't know of.
    And it's not that I don't like your theory. It's just that I think we need a little bit more facts to create such a theory than just the timeline problem.
    It seems to be the only thing that could speak against my "one seal" theory by the looks of it.
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    Well, for one thing...Kakashi is 30, but I know what you're saying.

    Still the trend seems to be for younger characters to look older, for example, the sound five were all 14...with the exception of Kimimaro, who was 15.

    And the fact that he wasn't hokage is important, it means that fourth must have been given that position before he left, if not, it doesn't make any sense for him to be mad about not getting the job. His entire reason for wanting to destroy Konoha is because of that after all.

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    True. But we don't really know how long he stayed in Konoha after Yondaime was made Hokage. He could've left right away and that they discovered his experiments was just a coincidence. Or he stayed, maybe even for years to experiment on Konoha shinobi and left as soon as the found out.

    I don't know if we really know which was is correct.
    Has it been stated somewhere, anyone?


    About Jugoo. I just want to see a frontal wideshot of him before I judge.
    After seeing Karin and Suigetsu I thought he would be a bit older than those three.
    Which would make him the Kakashi/Yamato of the group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    True. But we don't really know how long he stayed in Konoha after Yondaime was made Hokage. He could've left right away and that they discovered his experiments was just a coincidence. Or he stayed, maybe even for years to experiment on Konoha shinobi and left as soon as the found out.

    I don't know if we really know which was is correct.
    Has it been stated somewhere, anyone?


    About Jugoo. I just want to see a frontal wideshot of him before I judge.
    After seeing Karin and Suigetsu I thought he would be a bit older than those three.
    Which would make him the Kakashi/Yamato of the group.
    Sasuke wouldnt probably allow something like that ....putting someone else in charge of a group he made.... he probably wants to use Juugo as a soldier
    but if Sasuke was smarter he should have tried to get a team of few more ninja and learn to give the cursed seal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feanor View Post
    True. But we don't really know how long he stayed in Konoha after Yondaime was made Hokage.
    According to the Great Naruto Timeline, he left before Yondaime was made Hokage.

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    i would have thought that jugo would be alot older than he apears like that one guy already said on the thread. that one chick anko had a cursed seal from oro from when she was younger, and if oro made the cursed seal from that guys enzyms that means he ahs been in oro's care for a long time, much longer thatn the age he apears to be, (plot hole???)

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    ^^^
    You can't say plot hole yet, for all we know, there could be something in his blood making him look young (wouldn't be the first time of this happening in a anime)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hella View Post
    Sasuke wouldnt probably allow something like that ....putting someone else in charge of a group he made.... he probably wants to use Juugo as a soldier
    but if Sasuke was smarter he should have tried to get a team of few more ninja and learn to give the cursed seal
    I didn't mean that Jugoo would be in charge when I made the Kakshi comment.
    I meant that he would be older like Kakshi.
    Than both Naruto's and Sasuke's team would consist of one older guy, one girl and two youger girls.

    But you are right. Sasuke wouldn't want Jugoo to be in charge. He'd be pretty stupid if he wanted that.



    Quote Originally Posted by hotaruofmibu View Post
    According to the Great Naruto Timeline, he left before Yondaime was made Hokage.
    Who did make that timeline? If it was not done by Kishi, where does that fact come from?
    I'd like to know that before I accept it as a fact.
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    Who did make that timeline? If it was not done by Kishi, where does that fact come from?
    I'd like to know that before I accept it as a fact.
    Did you look at the time line? The creator states how he got the information from databooks. There is even a timeline with manga pictures to support it.

 

 

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