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    Well, I liked this chapter, and one of the reasons for that is that once again we can see Naruto talking about his desire of becoming Hokage. He didn't talk about going after Sasuke (that is pretty much what this second part has been for him). We haven't heard Naruto talking about it in part 2 since his first encounter with Sasuke, and that time he wasn't so sure he could become Hokage.

    Another thing is, Joeyt741 mentioned that it would be nice to see Naruto face someone he couldn't change, convince, bring back, etc... That already happened, he met Sasuke, and we've been seeing Naruto trying to convince him since the sound's four arc with no results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    If it was all fighting all the time then it would suck 10x more.


    He will get the rockets from Robot Pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    I don't like how every major villain is somehow made similar to Naruto with the associated 'we're so alike... ok, I'll be a good guy' bit. Gaara, Sasuke, Nagato... It's getting incredibly generic.

    And it didn't seem to me like he was intending to fight Naruto at the end. Maybe that's not what his jutsu is for.
    Gintama uses the same ploy with its bad guys. . .It's still pretty awesome.

    In fact a lot of shonen mangas do that, 666 satan, even one piece-not for all the villains but for many of them, that and luffy never kills anyone he just "beats them up" so they cna live with the pain of living or some bs

    hell the only mangas I can see that dont do that are the seinen ones like bezerk and claymore

    it seems like people were expecting some groundbreaking fight, not realizing that kishi planned nagato to be "changed" by naruto waaay back when Tsunade talekd about that "special power" of Naruto's of course in Naoagots place it kind happened after he destroyed konoha but. . .whatever ;P

    I'm pretty sure that special power wont come in handy for Madara just as it didnt come in handy for Sasuke or not even close for orochimaru and kabuto-maru

    a lot of people dont see this as growth for naruto as well, seeing as they were both deciples of Jiraiya, seeing a fellow student turn out the way he did was a wake up call, which is why he went on to see him, ALSO it gives Naruto new motivation for

    a) becoming hokage

    b) changing the ninja system and not "stopping" at just becoming hokage

    both elements provide a HUGE foundation for kishimoto to extend the manga and give him material as naruto has goals to acoomplish as hokage rather than just being hokage, Meaning we can get:

    a)the bing ninja war

    b)see naruto in action as hokaga

    c) see Naruto grow to be badass and not just the simple "underdog" anymore

    d) fight and finish Madara once and for all and not "change" him kinda hard to chagne the heart of a 200 year old dude, kinda like that guy with the six hearts kakuzu which btw DID NOT have a change of heart he was KILLED by naruto just as the Jashin guy was "killed" by shikamaru, and the guy with the bones who was gay for orchimaru (naruto didnt change him) he was still cryign abotu orochimaru when he died, so I dont see the point where people are saying "oh woe is me naruto makes every bad guy a good guy" when its not even remotely true, hell in fact naruto turned one "good" guy into a "BAD" guy *cough*sasgay*cough and couldnt chang ehim, and everybody HATED that, calling sasuke a little punk emo bitch etc etc etc.

    It seems people are just disapointed that kishi didnt just use naruto to kill nagato, that and people want the story to go at the speed of one piece or something with "epic" moments every chapter but kishi cant really get away with thatsince he has been ver ypredictable for teh most part that an the universe is a lot different than one piece, where Oda and the world is vey very strange and unpredictable so oda can get away with suddenly having black bear ad ID facing luffy, or spliting the whole crew apart just to give the reader the other side of the plot (the dealings with the shici bukai the revolutionaries and the wg) and tie both halfs of the story line together in stead of just having luffy beat bad guy after bad guy in long drawn out arcs untill he gets to the end. . .

    Naruto doesnt really have that "other side" developed as of yet, The only thing I can think of is with danzo and his little schemes, which may only serve to bring sasuke to justify going after the elders and killing danzo. and fighting naruto again or something.

    and even with that kishi has set up the possibilty of bringing sasuke back (remember when itachi asked hin: "whacha gon' do when sasuke attacks" and naruto says "I'm gonna stop him without killing him" and itachi stuffs his coc. . .er crow down his throat)

    so its obvious to see what kishi is gonna be doing with these characters

    heres a list of villans he DIDNT change to be good guys

    1)orochimaru (killed by sasuke)
    2)kakuszu (Killed by Naruto)
    3)kabuto
    4)deidara (killed by sasuke)
    5)the Jashin akatsuki guy Hidan (just remembered his name "Killed" by shikamaru)

    Here some villains he WONT change into good guys

    1)Madara
    2)danzo
    3)zetsu
    4) that shark guy with the samehada

    Here are the villains he changed or kishi is setting up to change back into good guys
    1) sasuke
    2) zabuza (an hero'd)
    3) gaara
    4) neji (although he wasnt really a bad guy, just a pompus prick. . .)
    5) nagato and konan

    So there's pretty much NINE villains that either did not or will not change into good guys, and were either killed by naruto or by other characters

    compared to about 6 who will or have "changed" even though one is dead and didnt change till the end zabuza

    so seriously its obvious that kishi isnt just that simple and "lame" as people are throwing tantrums about just because the story isnt going the way most shonen mangas do dbz style (good guys gets beat, powers up kills villan>---stronger villain comes up good guys get beat, good guy powers up, kills bad guy---->next stronger enemy appears etc etc etc)

    And now that kishi is actually moving things in order to further the STORY LINE (oh wow what a great idea!) people get their panties in a bunch,

    sure the chapter wasnt "super omfg Black beard just kicked naruto's ass" epic but the story wasnt even built to have that kind of energy almost every chapter!
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    i'm thinking nagato's jutsu brings jiraiya's corpse back so that naruto can properly bury him. maybe anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luphrecio View Post
    Gintama uses the same ploy with its bad guys. . .It's still pretty awesome.

    In fact a lot of shonen mangas do that, 666 satan, even one piece-not for all the villains but for many of them, that and luffy never kills anyone he just "beats them up" so they cna live with the pain of living or some bs

    hell the only mangas I can see that dont do that are the seinen ones like bezerk and claymore

    it seems like people were expecting some groundbreaking fight, not realizing that kishi planned nagato to be "changed" by naruto waaay back when Tsunade talekd about that "special power" of Naruto's of course in Naoagots place it kind happened after he destroyed konoha but. . .whatever ;P

    I'm pretty sure that special power wont come in handy for Madara just as it didnt come in handy for Sasuke or not even close for orochimaru and kabuto-maru

    a lot of people dont see this as growth for naruto as well, seeing as they were both deciples of Jiraiya, seeing a fellow student turn out the way he did was a wake up call, which is why he went on to see him, ALSO it gives Naruto new motivation for

    a) becoming hokage

    b) changing the ninja system and not "stopping" at just becoming hokage

    both elements provide a HUGE foundation for kishimoto to extend the manga and give him material as naruto has goals to acoomplish as hokage rather than just being hokage, Meaning we can get:

    a)the bing ninja war

    b)see naruto in action as hokaga

    c) see Naruto grow to be badass and not just the simple "underdog" anymore

    d) fight and finish Madara once and for all and not "change" him kinda hard to chagne the heart of a 200 year old dude, kinda like that guy with the six hearts kakuzu which btw DID NOT have a change of heart he was KILLED by naruto just as the Jashin guy was "killed" by shikamaru, and the guy with the bones who was gay for orchimaru (naruto didnt change him) he was still cryign abotu orochimaru when he died, so I dont see the point where people are saying "oh woe is me naruto makes every bad guy a good guy" when its not even remotely true, hell in fact naruto turned one "good" guy into a "BAD" guy *cough*sasgay*cough and couldnt chang ehim, and everybody HATED that, calling sasuke a little punk emo bitch etc etc etc.

    It seems people are just disapointed that kishi didnt just use naruto to kill nagato, that and people want the story to go at the speed of one piece or something with "epic" moments every chapter but kishi cant really get away with thatsince he has been ver ypredictable for teh most part that an the universe is a lot different than one piece, where Oda and the world is vey very strange and unpredictable so oda can get away with suddenly having black bear ad ID facing luffy, or spliting the whole crew apart just to give the reader the other side of the plot (the dealings with the shici bukai the revolutionaries and the wg) and tie both halfs of the story line together in stead of just having luffy beat bad guy after bad guy in long drawn out arcs untill he gets to the end. . .

    Naruto doesnt really have that "other side" developed as of yet, The only thing I can think of is with danzo and his little schemes, which may only serve to bring sasuke to justify going after the elders and killing danzo. and fighting naruto again or something.

    and even with that kishi has set up the possibilty of bringing sasuke back (remember when itachi asked hin: "whacha gon' do when sasuke attacks" and naruto says "I'm gonna stop him without killing him" and itachi stuffs his coc. . .er crow down his throat)

    so its obvious to see what kishi is gonna be doing with these characters

    heres a list of villans he DIDNT change to be good guys

    1)orochimaru (killed by sasuke)
    2)kakuszu (Killed by Naruto)
    3)kabuto
    4)deidara (killed by sasuke)
    5)the Jashin akatsuki guy Hidan (just remembered his name "Killed" by shikamaru)

    Here some villains he WONT change into good guys

    1)Madara
    2)danzo
    3)zetsu
    4) that shark guy with the samehada

    Here are the villains he changed or kishi is setting up to change back into good guys
    1) sasuke
    2) zabuza (an hero'd)
    3) gaara
    4) neji (although he wasnt really a bad guy, just a pompus prick. . .)
    5) nagato and konan

    So there's pretty much NINE villains that either did not or will not change into good guys, and were either killed by naruto or by other characters

    compared to about 6 who will or have "changed" even though one is dead and didnt change till the end zabuza

    so seriously its obvious that kishi isnt just that simple and "lame" as people are throwing tantrums about just because the story isnt going the way most shonen mangas do dbz style (good guys gets beat, powers up kills villan>---stronger villain comes up good guys get beat, good guy powers up, kills bad guy---->next stronger enemy appears etc etc etc)

    And now that kishi is actually moving things in order to further the STORY LINE (oh wow what a great idea!) people get their panties in a bunch,

    sure the chapter wasnt "super omfg Black beard just kicked naruto's ass" epic but the story wasnt even built to have that kind of energy almost every chapter!

    Although you are right in saying there are lots of villains Naruto didn't convert, I wouldn't group them all together so easily. The ones that Naruto converted are the ones he had any discussion with, or a connection on a more emotional level. It also usually involves a prolonged battle. Naruto didn't even try to talk to Kakuzu or Orochimaru, mostly because they didn't espouse their superiority like Neji (of course, Kakuzu and Oro sort of did this, but in a different context) or do something Naruto was personally against. Zabuza let Haku die for him easily. Naruto was personally disturbed by this, and so he began his conversion thing.

    Orochimaru and Deidara are people that Naruto has no connection to. Deidara didn't let his comrade die like Zabuza did. Orochimaru didn't thrash a relative of his like Neji did. They're bad guys, sure. But Naruto knows there are bad guys who will oppose them, so he's not gonna try to reason with them all. People like Gaara he had a personal understanding with. So you can't really say that Kishi is being balanced just cause Oro and the other remained bad till the end.

    To date, the only one that Naruto has actively tried to change and failed is Sasuke. And how he'll eventually bring him over, if at all, is what the story's headed to.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Kishi's going about this all wrong, as this is typicak shonen. I don't expect anything less. But I'm saying that to think he hasn't changed almost everyone he's had a personal battle isn't really right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joncano View Post
    i'm thinking nagato's jutsu brings jiraiya's corpse back so that naruto can properly bury him. maybe anyway.
    There's also a possibility that he'll give a pair of rinnegan to Naruto and then retire from shinobi world. That way he'll be able to see how Naruto will bring peace to shinobi world since one of rinnegan features is vision sharing among users.

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    Lets see,
    Byakuya: White Eyes
    Sharingan: Red Eyes
    Rinnegan: Ring Eyes
    Kyubi form: Fox Eyes
    Sage Mode: Toad Eyes

    The more eyes you aquire, the better u can see.
    So far Naruto has aquired Kyubi and Sage, he may have acquired Sharingan from Itachi's crow...
    If he acquires Rinnegan now, he only needs Byakuya left. He'd have the veins around his eyes, rings, tomoes, and the + in the middle. Then, it'll be GOD MODE for Naruto. Look at his eyes is looking at death.

    On a side note, I think this chapter just relayed everything on the previous chapter but in further detail. Not much for me, wanted to see Pain's response more than Naruto's answer.

    And why is Naruto so focused around eyes? It's as though Kishi is eye obsessed. Love at first sight anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tfs08933 View Post
    Sharingan: Red Eyes
    Rinnegan: Ring Eyes
    Kyubi form: Fox Eyes
    Sage Mode: Toad Eyes

    The more eyes you aquire, the better u can see.
    Thats how Naruto's gonna end the ninja system. He'll beat every shinobi in the land at a game of Stare into submission. He'll be a God among'st men.

    "He is now declaring his words to the WORLD!"

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    but i think it will just make the series less interesting to give the main character all the cool stuff he should come up with more unique stuff instead of stealing every else's jutsu.

    and naruto could have a kid with hinata and the kid would have the sharringan and the byakugan or is it possible to have two kekei genkai at once?

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    It would be retarded if Naruto got the Rinnegan, that would pretty much the same as him getting Orange Sharingan (if he got Orange Sharingan at least I could laugh at the irony). As if Naruto's eyes aren't bizarre looking enough as it is with Sage mode and Kyuubi mode. I would hate to see the plot become battle of the eyes. In the case of the Uchiha, eye upgrades makes sense because it is all tied into their history and bloodline but having people passing their eyes on left and right would just make the story absurd.

    I found it extremely lame that Naruto seems to have converted Nagato so easily, it makes Nagato seem like an extremely simple minded character if that's all it really took, especially considering that with his intellect he should have already been aware of what Naruto revealed to him. I am really hoping that there is some kind of twist and that Nagato doesn't just give in so simply. Nagato was aware of the book, aware of Naruto's name, and aware of Jiraiya's beliefs. Now suddenly Naruto pulls out a book, gives a none answer to a question that has been at the forefront of Nagato's life and suddenly he changes the way he thinks? The problem is still there, Naruto has offered no solution except that he will try his best to make things different, he has offered no plan or even a general idea that will make that ideal a reality which is exactly why Nagato rejected Jiraiya. Either there is some twist to this or Nagato really is just a child with too much power.

 

 
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