Thread: NAruto 448

Ok, let me break this down for you guys. Nagato used to be very similar to Naruto. He was very kind of heart, forgiving, brave, and loving. This inspired Jiraiya to the point where he wrote the Gutsy Ninja about him, obviously not knowing Naruto would actually be prophetically born. Unfortunately for Nagato, he lost faith in the inherent goodness of humanity, instead choosing only to see our dark side.

Before Nagato became the evil bastard that we know and love today, he truly believed in his heart that love and dedication to peace on an individual level would eventually save the world. Jiraiya realized the profoundness of that thought and chose to believe in it himself, thus dedicating his entire life to it.

Since Naruto believed in Jiraiya wholeheartedly much like Jiraiya believed in Nagato, he also believes in the power of peace, love, persistence and forgiveness to change the hearts and minds of others, thus bringing real change to the (ninja) world.

What I think a lot of you guys are failing to understand is that Nagato was the original philosopher behind Jiraiya and Naruto's ideologies.

When Naruto spoke to Nagato about the Gutsy Ninja, it reminded him that he too was once a "Gutsy Ninja" too, and that there was nothing forcing him to continue along his evil path.

I think the fact that Naruto essentially forgave Nagato for everything he did (I'm sure he thinks Hinata is dead), forced Nagato to reconsider the philosophy that he originally created and Jiraiya taught to Naruto. After all, it's gotta be hard to spare the life of the guy who destroyed your village, but Naruto manned up and showed to Nagato that

"the day will truly come when people change"

I know a lot of you guys thought this chapter sucked, but I thought it was pretty deep.

Thanks for your interpretation of the chapter, I wish Naruto did take the path Nagato was on and became bent on stopping war and follow in Nagato's footsteps and becomes a villian and then Sasuke becomes the good guy. I know it would never happen but heck I just want to see something different, have the main character a good guy that turns evil or something, just don't throw out power ups ie Bleach style.

I thought it sucked. I want to see fighting. That is why I read a Shonen (sp?) manga.

If it was all fighting all the time then it would suck 10x more.

Omg hes going to give him orange sharingan!!

Originally Posted by Nevermore135

I think you're all missing the point. It's not that Naruto coincidentally shares the same name as some character in some book. It's that Naruto is the way he is partially because of who Nagato was in his youth. It's this same sort of faith in bringing about peace. And not only that, but after having two sensei's murdered and his entire village destroyed, he still holds fast to that faith in peace. In Naruto, he rediscovers the hope he had lost long ago, that he was just reminded of in both the book and Naruto's words.

I get what you're saying, but Nagato should see the point here that just because Naruto says 'I'll Never Give Up!' doesn't mean he's going to succeed. Nagato actually says in a flashback in this chapter 'Faith is better than any plan'. But he should know better than anyone that just because you have faith in your ideals the world is going to allow you to fulfill them. Nagato's reasoning for doing what he was doing was because it was the only practical thing that could achieve the peace he hoped for. Nagato wanted peace now. He wanted to make sure the people he loved would be safe now. By backing down to Naruto here he's agreeing to taking the long, uncertain road, which does not do anything for his village in the immediate future.

So thats the first problem I have with this. The next thing that bugs me about this whole thing was that this was supposed to be a test of Narutos mettle. It starts off with Naruto being determined to stop Pain, and Pain being just as determined to finish his plan. With Naruto's most recent proclamation of becoming Hokage, I really wanted to see what would happen when Naruto would not be able to persuade Nagato. They would obviously fight, but we've never seen how Naruto reacts to defeating an opponent that fought for a principle that they wholly believed was right till the end. Other than Sasuke, Naruto's never fought anyone who wasn't anything more then a bad guy with bad intentions. If he really wants to become a world changing Hokage, he's going to have to understand that there are other people who believe what they are doing is the right thing to do, even if its not. If this is really how things are going, then Naruto will walk away with this gaining pretty much nothing. Naruto's still just a naive kid who believes that everything will work out in the end as long as he never gives up.

Originally Posted by kidistight

Thanks for your interpretation of the chapter, I wish Naruto did take the path Nagato was on and became bent on stopping war and follow in Nagato's footsteps and becomes a villian and then Sasuke becomes the good guy. I know it would never happen but heck I just want to see something different, have the main character a good guy that turns evil or something, just don't throw out power ups ie Bleach style.

Sasuke fan? I read a plot outline like that from some Uchiha fanboy on narutofan long ago. It read something like 'Sasuke rips out Kakashi's Mangekyo, gets E.M.F., kills Danzo and assorted Konoha villagers including Tsunade and Sakura, Naruto loses control to the Kyuubi, Sasuke kills Naruto, becomes Hokage and rules the ninja world'. Sure, it'd be the dream story for many, but reading it made my blood boil.

lemme guess... what Nagato will do is return all the souls he stole... too bad, he didn't steal kakashi's

Originally Posted by DamnIt

Omg hes going to give him orange sharingan!!

Don't bring that up it's a taboo, everytime I see "orange sharingan" it makes me wanna find the person who made that up and give'em two black eyes.

Originally Posted by The Witcher

Sasuke fan? I read a plot outline like that from some Uchiha fanboy on narutofan long ago. It read something like 'Sasuke rips out Kakashi's Mangekyo, gets E.M.F., kills Danzo and assorted Konoha villagers including Tsunade and Sakura, Naruto loses control to the Kyuubi, Sasuke kills Naruto, becomes Hokage and rules the ninja world'. Sure, it'd be the dream story for many, but reading it made my blood boil.

Hardly, I just want some good writing that moves at a decent pace. I actually put no thought behind saying that but now that I do I figure if Naruto became evil, he would really do things with the nine tails and sage mode that we couldn't even imagine. Almost like when a jedi becomes a sith they do things with the force that a jedi wouldn't think of or want to do, ie lightning, force choke. Besides isn't everyone under the impression Kishi is a Sasuke fanboy because of all the time he is getting before now. And to keep the manga balanced someone would have to become the good guy right or the not so bad guy, who would that be Sakura or Kakashi. Kakashi more or less has admitted that he was no match for Naruto last time he saw him fight.