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    thirdfang is offline Senior Member Respected Member
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    ^ not really stupid, just excessively confused and disturbed. naruto fills in the stupid role just find.
    as for the good guy answers always having a lame answer, really, half the answer is in the way the charater says it. if the character is weepy, too serious, or too hung up on bad experiences, the responce ends up annoying and pathetic. If the character is a bit cocky, confident, and a bit mature, the reponce usually ends up badass. a slightly insane grin also helps. hell, in the right situation, someone could say "Im barney the dinosaur, lets be friends!" and look completely awesome.
    also samonoske, double posting bad

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    I really liked this chapter, until Naruto's response which was about as typical as I feared it might be. This could have been a chance to show how Naruto has developed some level of individual depth but instead it comes off as a non-response based off a rather simplistic idea. I really don't see how he couldn't have just given this response the first time he was asked, it doesn't seem to be any different than the tripe he has been shouting since he arrived back in Konoha anyway. He doesn't give any personal reasoning behind his answer but rather just says well this is what Jiraiya thought (which is something that has already been addressed). This is one of the moments that make me miss the early days of Naruto, when Naruto actually seemed like a very deep and thoughtful person beneath his insecurity and bravado. Now days Naruto seems like he has fallen into the realm of the typical Shounen hero, who's lines are about as shallow as they come.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/20/20/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/22/05/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/22/06/

    On a more primitive level, Inari's logic was a lot like Nagato's. He had gone through some traumatic experiences and from his perspective there was a sense of futility in trying to change things. Now Nagato's beliefs are much more sophisticated and are more deeply routed but the base argument is similar. The main difference is that Nagato has decided to take action to prevent what he sees as an essentially hopeless situation but he is still acting from a place of hopelessness because he sees the only way to prevent war is through fear of mass destruction and pain. Much like Inari, Nagato watched someone who he loved and admired die trying to change things, he saw that as failure and took on the belief that such a vision was to a degree impossible. Since Yahiko's death he has been acting with a fixed idea of what the future must be.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/100/18/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/101/17/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/101/19/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/103/02/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/103/08/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/103/11/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/104/10/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/104/20/

    Whatever happened to moments where Naruto's beliefs are defined by the very need to change the perceived reality. This situation is not all that different from the dialog that took place between he and Neji. Neji's beliefs were similar to Nagato's, just less broad. In that case Neji explained, much like Pain has, reasons for his beliefs. The difference is that in the confrontation between he and Neji, Naruto pokes holes in Neji's beliefs and shows him that it is possible to change things, citing his own life as an example. He doesn't simply dismiss Neji's beliefs, he realizes that Neji's reasons can't simply be argued, he has to back up his worlds. That has largely been the reason behind Naruto's pursuit of power and status. He realizes that people follow primarily by example, and he has to prove himself by more than just his words. After Naruto defeats Neji he explains the flaws in Neji's belief system. In this case with Nagato, Naruto has basically admitted that Nagato is right but basically sights an emotional connection to Jiraiya as his argument rather than poking holes in Nagato's system of belief (of which there are many). Its like Naruto is just saying, well what you say makes sense but Jiraiya loved me and believed in me so I am going to do what he would have viewed as right.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/447/15/

    I particularly liked the frame that shows all of Konan's paper above Naruto's head, makes one realize that Konan could probably collapse the entire chamber onto Naruto at any moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdfang View Post
    ^ not really stupid, just excessively confused and disturbed. naruto fills in the stupid role just find.
    definitely excessively confused and disturbed, but also stupid. Not only he fought devoid of any tactic. Most of the time he (his bodies) only stood there dumb found. Some of his move is just illogical. For example, his "machine" body has terryfying and devastating long range weapons, yet he slam that body toward tsunade, with a bunch of enemies around. Why? Because he needed to be killed by Naruto to show how much Naruto improved.

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    I'm a bit surprised nobody commented on my absence so far. Not that I'm some big shot or something, but I usually have my two cents up within a few hours. This time I was studying for a really crucial exam, so I've been cut off from the net these past few days.

    Oh, right, the two cents:

    1. Naruto's answer was a copout and downer considering all the build-up it was getting, but I wasn't really expecting much more considering a better-crafted, more philosophical answer would have been somewhat above Kishimoto's level writing.

    2. Didn't like how all of Nagato's problems were compressed into a few minutes of his life. It'd have made a bigger impact if his disability was a gradual process. And if Hanzo could escape via Shunshin, why couldn't everyone else? It's a D-rank technique.

    3. I seem to be the only one who noticed that Naruto's had Sage Mode switched off for the past couple of chapters even though he's standing still. Another nerf from Kishi? Refusing to kill Nagato was very wise; because otherwise he'd get pwned by Konan with nothing at hand but Rasengan.
    I'M NO HERO, BELIEVE IT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    I'm a bit surprised nobody commented on my absence so far. Not that I'm some big shot or something, but I usually have my two cents up within a few hours. This time I was studying for a really crucial exam, so I've been cut off from the net these past few days.

    Oh, right, the two cents:

    1. Naruto's answer was a copout and downer considering all the build-up it was getting, but I wasn't really expecting much more considering a better-crafted, more philosophical answer would have been somewhat above Kishimoto's level writing.

    2. Didn't like how all of Nagato's problems were compressed into a few minutes of his life. It'd have made a bigger impact if his disability was a gradual process. And if Hanzo could escape via Shunshin, why couldn't everyone else? It's a D-rank technique.

    3. I seem to be the only one who noticed that Naruto's had Sage Mode switched off for the past couple of chapters even though he's standing still. Another nerf from Kishi? Refusing to kill Nagato was very wise; because otherwise he'd get pwned by Konan with nothing at hand but Rasengan.
    It's nice to read you again, Witcher.
    As usual, you managed to sum up the main topics of the chapter very well.
    Is Shunshin really a so low technique?
    We saw Hanzo running away as a coward, but no news from Danzo. It's quite troublesome.

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    The whole "I believe this and that" aside, I've been wondering about the statue. Isn't that the same type of summon Tayuya, the foul-mouthed chick from the Sound Four/Five, used?
    Eyes closed/blindfolded - check
    Sharp teath and moaning - check
    Soul sucking ghost-thing shoots out of it's mouth - check.

    We've seen a person with this kind of ability 300 chapters back. Suddenly the giant bijuu-collecting statue doesn't seem so special.
    It's just like Manda for snakes, Gamabunta for toads and Katsuyu for slugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ma3lstr0m View Post
    The whole "I believe this and that" aside, I've been wondering about the statue. Isn't that the same type of summon Tayuya, the foul-mouthed chick from the Sound Four/Five, used?
    Eyes closed/blindfolded - check
    Sharp teath and moaning - check
    Soul sucking ghost-thing shoots out of it's mouth - check.

    We've seen a person with this kind of ability 300 chapters back. Suddenly the giant bijuu-collecting statue doesn't seem so special.
    It's just like Manda for snakes, Gamabunta for toads and Katsuyu for slugs.
    As far as I can tell, that is the statue that is holding the Bijuu so I would gather that it is way beyond anything that Tayuya used. The statue also seems to be tied to how Nagato controls his six bodies so I am very curious as to what its origins are. I am also wondering what will happen to it if Nagato dies, if it is holding the Bijuu at Nagato's command I have to question what Madara intends to do should the Bijuu break free. Whatever that statue/creature is, it seems to be very important and is obviously extremely powerful.

 

 
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