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    metrobluejay is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    Default Sharingan stunting Kakashi?

    Just something that has been in my head for a while that I don't know if it has been talked about before, but who here thinks that Obito's Sharingan stunted Kakashi's growth?

    Positives- He gains all the sharingan's abilities as shown by the Uchiha clan which is pretty impressive.

    Negatives- His chakra drains much quicker than an Uchiha when using it because his body isn't made for it. I'm sure there are more but I can't think of anymore right now.

    Kakashi was a Jounin at the age of 12, something we haven't seen confirmed from too many other characters (Itachi's the only one that comes to mind). So while he does get better from his 12 year old self to his manga starting self, I don't think it was as big of a jump it could've been.

    Pretty much all of the Uber-nins in Naruto have high chakra levels.

    And if they don't have high chakra levels then they have other non-chakra intensive skills. Out of all the S-Rank nins only Itachi has a Chakra level under 3 in his databook entry. But since most of his skills are with Genjutsu (not that he isn't bad-ass with his other skills). He doesn't need to have a high stamina rating since Genjutsu focuses more on control than amount, at least that's how I interpret it.

    But everyother ninjutsu centered ninja has a rating above 3.5 that I've seen in the databook.

    And I think it's the sharingan's fault. It's not like he doesn't have bad blood, Sakumo was respected on the same level as the Sannin when he died. So it's either outside circumstances that affect how Kakashi has developed (his whole somewhat graduating team is dead) or there was something that held him back.

    I'm sure there is better ways to argue this, but I want to see what everyone thinks on this.
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    It would seem like his growth might have been stunted then because of the sharingan, possibly if he would have gotten it at a later age he would have developed a larger pool of chakra to call upon instead of what he currently has.
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    The fact that the Sharingan drains his already low chakra is certainly not a good thing. That limits what he can do with this tool and puts him out of action afterwards.

    But he needed it when he got it or he wouldn't have survived that fight.
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    I don't think the Sharingan had anything to do with his chakra level beyond the fact that it consumes a lot of chakra. He's named 'Sharingan Kakashi'. He's famous for knowing over 1000 jutsus(which he never bothered teaching Naruto). It's clear that he wouldn't be where he is today without Obito's gift.

    However, the Sharingan did stunt his growth in one way: if he couldn't copy jutsus he'd have invented more of his own like the Chidori.
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    Yeah because developing half ass skills are awesome. Chidori fails as a technique in its practical use. The only time it's been used without Sharingan in conjunction in the entire series is on Zabuza at the beginning.

    ... yeah. Anyway, on topic: I don't think the Sharingan has in any way limited Kakashi's growth-you can't just magically make your chakra level enhanced or else I'm sure Itachi would have spent time to do it, just so that he wouldn't be as drained via MK uses. Kakashi, if anything, is far more enhanced, as it completes the aforementioned Chidori and allots him use of great genjutsu (as well as near invulnerability to weaker genjutsu).
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    I think that the draining from the Mangekyou isn't from chakra but the use of it actually destroys his vision.

    The only way that it stunts his growth as aforementioned is that he doesn't make or create many of his own jutsu. His tactical skills are very impressive as he knows how to use his many many copy-jutsu's well together. But his innovative-ness before that didn't seem to shabby, considering he made chidori to compensate for the lack of element in rasengan (also learned very young), which he did AT 12 before he got the sharingan.

    He was easily genius level before he even got the sharingan, It was basically just a shortcut to being a big hit player at the cost of wearing him out very fast when he uses it.

    I think if he didn't recieve the sharingan he'd probably be the same place he is now but with different ways to compensate for the lack of power, but seeing as he is the only character to have a "transplanted eye" (so far) His unique-ness isn't a downfall.

    Besides he wouldn't look nearly as bad-ass without it, also relying on it so much gives kishi another chance to train him and make him usefull later on :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    I don't think the Sharingan had anything to do with his chakra level beyond the fact that it consumes a lot of chakra. He's named 'Sharingan Kakashi'. He's famous for knowing over 1000 jutsus(which he never bothered teaching Naruto). It's clear that he wouldn't be where he is today without Obito's gift.

    However, the Sharingan did stunt his growth in one way: if he couldn't copy jutsus he'd have invented more of his own like the Chidori.
    It has something to do with his chakra levels. His seems to be relatively low already, but the fact that he can't shut it off means it drains chakra even when he's not fighting, draining his already low chakra level.
    That's what keeps him from being on par with the great forces, like Oro, Itachi, Jiraiya etc.
    If he had more chakra or if his always activated Sharingan wouldn't drain his low resources so much, he could utilize it much better and fight people like Oro and Jiraiya on even terms. What good does knowing 1000 jutsu do you if you don't have enough chakra to use many of them. If he could, he'd probably be above Sannin level and Tsunade never would've been choosen as Hokage.

    But I agree with you that he wouldn't have come this far (this fast) without Obito's gift.
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    I don't think that kakashi's chakra levels are significantly different from many other jounin. but he has said that he's a relatively low chakra level type. It doesn't necessarily mean that he's lower than average, just that he's not the type with monstrous stamina like naruto. It's just like saying he's not the high-strength type - it doesn't make him weaker in that sense, it's just that he's in a different category altogether.

    That said, we also don't know much about his chakra levels as compared to the other jounins. For all we know, he'd have more chakra than asuma or even gai. Plus, having the sharingan on all the time, as well as not being an uchiha, really does drain his chakra faster than it would an uchiha, so that's why he weakens faster in battle. If he had an unnatural chakra capacity like naruto's, then i dare say that he could use the sharingan all he wants, but he has normal levels, i think. It's just that they seem lower because the sharingan drains him more than usual.

    So I don't think it stunted his growth, no. If anything, I'd say he built up better stamina over the years. Imagine, he's had to cope with the toll the sharingan takes on him since he got that eye, which must have been for over 16 years, at least. The constant drain during battle and the fatigue would probably have a weight-training sort of effect on him. Think Kenpachi's eyepatch.

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    I'm thinking not having the Sharingan would have severely stunted his growth, I mean because he's be dead, ya know.

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    i think that the stamina building thing only applies with things that you can actually turn off, or at least grow used too.

    think a leg weigth or something. eventually you get used to it, but you'll never get maximum until you take it off. Which is why kenpachi can stop the eye patch, by ripping it off, it stops his limiting.

    Think of it like if someone would constantly smoke a cigarette, eventually they get used to it, but it never lets up on their lungs, always sealing a portion of their capacity off,(like how the sharingan has a slow drain on his chakra, but he's always recovering a small amount so it balances)
    And how the cigarette always damages certain things too, (how it strains his body, and the MS actually damages his eyesight)
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