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    metrobluejay is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    Thinking about it a little more I have come up with something along with the Sharingan that might have made it so he wouldn't be able to even think about attacking Orochimaru in their brief meeting after Sasuke's prelim match.

    Mainly the points in his life that affected him the most: Sakumo commiting suicide, Obito dying, I'm guessing Rin's death (which we have absolutely no info about), and the Kyuubi attack/Minato's death.

    With Sakumo it was being the best he could be within the shinobi code, and with Obito it was cherishing those he held close. Then with Rin's death followed by Minato's (maybe close maybe even the same day) he just stopped really caring too much. He had absolutely nothing to live for (assuming he didn't know that Minato had a son) so he let his development stagnate (maybe in the hope that he'd get killed on a mission).

    He still got better and is considered elite, but not at the curve he was at before when he was a jounin at the age of 12 or 13. If he was still progressing like that for the rest of his life then he would've been a prime candidate for Godaime and most likely a S-Rank ninja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metrobluejay View Post
    Thinking about it a little more I have come up with something along with the Sharingan that might have made it so he wouldn't be able to even think about attacking Orochimaru in their brief meeting after Sasuke's prelim match.

    Mainly the points in his life that affected him the most: Sakumo commiting suicide, Obito dying, I'm guessing Rin's death (which we have absolutely no info about), and the Kyuubi attack/Minato's death.

    With Sakumo it was being the best he could be within the shinobi code, and with Obito it was cherishing those he held close. Then with Rin's death followed by Minato's (maybe close maybe even the same day) he just stopped really caring too much. He had absolutely nothing to live for (assuming he didn't know that Minato had a son) so he let his development stagnate (maybe in the hope that he'd get killed on a mission).

    He still got better and is considered elite, but not at the curve he was at before when he was a jounin at the age of 12 or 13. If he was still progressing like that for the rest of his life then he would've been a prime candidate for GODaime and most likely a S-Rank ninja.
    hell yeah, God daime baby!

    but yeah why the hell didnt kakashi teach naruto any jutsu, kakashi knows 1,000 of them, he could have passed some on , its just the seals anyway. . . .

    it would be pretty bad ass if naruto knew a whloe bunch of jutsus with his chakra the way it is. . .
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    to metro= OR
    he just got scared because of orochimaru's killing intent and knew he couldn't beat him by spamming chidori right off.

    Too many maybe's for things we don't know, what we do know is that his personality is about 50% obito, with the slacking off on being on time, and the cockamaime excuses he gives for it. He's trying to live out his life the best he can while trying to live things the way obito might have. (caring for friends, bending the rules a bit, enjoying life, slacking)
    No need to guess at things we haven't been told yet, or how they happened, or the psycological effects its had on him. Since the manga laid out his reason for not fighting orochimaru there pretty plainly.
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    Kakashi should have just stop using his sharigan eyes.
    or just cover it from not using.

    I don't think it affected him in some sort of ways.

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    You raise up some pretty good points, but it's not an issue with Kakashi, but more with an issue of the writer himself let me explain.

    Kakashi has the Sharingan an eye technique whose main strength is Genjutsu, now for what reason has Kakashi not been using genjutsu? The writer never really says genjutsu's are chakra drainers, in fact I would argue next to melee combat, they drain chakra the least unless it's like an S-level technique.

    I mean I have a lot of issues on how they basically cheapened Kakashi, I mean feel bad because Kakashi has NEVER had the chance to go all out and in that I mean not worrying about protecting others or planning for others to come help him out. Just him doing things his own way without the issue of weaker Ninja's trying to help him.

    Also how the "younger generation surpasses the older," ironically enough Kakashi himself wasn't able to surpass the generation ahead of him. (not that I blame him I mean honestly if he had surpassed the 4th there wouldn't be many Ninjas that could stand up to him anyway.)

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    I think that the sharingan did spoil Kakashi's growth. Without it he would have developed his other abilities to a higher level. He relies on that useless eye far too much. He had the posibility of simply ignoring the fact that he had the eye and developed his physical streghth and chakra, but he probably got lazy and just relied on the eye, and that is why he isin't as strong as the S-rank people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reaperzeero View Post
    I think that the sharingan did spoil Kakashi's growth. Without it he would have developed his other abilities to a higher level. He relies on that useless eye far too much.
    i don't think it's a "useless" eye..... tsukuyomi, reading enemy's movement, etc are very useful.....but i agree that it, somewhat, makes kakashi too dependent to it and he becomes lazier than before...

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    It has been implied that Kakashi got sort of lazy in later years, probably after the major ninja war when things settled Kakashi's abilities were sufficient so he never really bothered to push his limits until Akatsuki showed up. Jiraiya mentions something about this just before Sasuke leaves the village. I believe Kakashi's growth was not stunted by the Sharingan but rather by the fact that he was rarely presented with challenges that pushed him to improve much more than he already had. After Orochimaru and Akatsuki appear though I think Kakashi started to realize that he really needed to get serious about training again if he wanted to stand a chance against them. The result of this new mind set has been shown in just how much he has improved since the time skip. Not only has he developed a Mangekyou sharingan but he has also obtained various other techniques such as lightening clones and he can now use Raikiri far more than he could before.

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    I don't think the sharingam stunted Kakashi's development because he can simply avoid the chakra toll that comes with it by not using his sharingan, which is what he does outside of most battles. Kakashi could (/should) probably develop better fighting techiques so that he doesn't have to use the sharingan in battle, but even in that case it would be Kakashi stunting his own growth rather than the sharingan.

    On the other hand, Kakashi might be relying on the sharingan because he feels the benefits of using it outweigh the toll it takes on his body. Also, Kakashi may have felt developing his sharingan was the most effective way of training if he were to face Itachi again after his initial loss, especially considering Itachi's relationship with both Naruto and Sasuke.
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