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    Tamiel is offline Senior Member Long Time Member
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    ^"I'll destroy your village"?

    Last time I saw the village was gone.

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    "Destroy your village" does not only mean the houses. The people living in it make a village what it is. And plenty of them are still alive.
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    well the thing is, didnt the 4th Just say that he saw a masked ninja at the time the kyuubi was sealed and that even HE couldnt stop him? I'm pretty sure obito died soon before as he was only a hokage for a short time, even *if* madara somehow got his body it would take a LONG time for it to grow and be formidable enough to take on the 4th. . . .

    Then theres the issue of him being the mizukage. . .Im pretty sure he ha been the mizukage long before obito had ever been alive, Im pretty sure kisame is WAAY older than kakashi and even if he was the same age, he still would have been able to recognize the mizukage and would know if he was a child or not. . . .

    then theres the whole training itachi/helping with killing of the clan thing. . .in the flashback of obito it showed him as being the long haired madara in the past with the same armor and similar mask with one hole. . .

    and the metal body thing wtf??

    that's BODY ARMOR people. . .Hashirama wears the same armor. . .tobi's was just dyed black and has NOTHING to do with some necro obito

    I thought some people had thought of something really compelling or that I maybe missed an important chapter or something.

    but a metal bodyy?? please. . .

    well I guess that answers my question. . .I'm going back to lurking now.
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    One thing i want to know is when are they going to show kakashi in another chapter yet, last time i saw him was in the begining of kohona's destruction

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    why would a spirit-like person need body armour.. ( as mentioned before he does not get it by anything, things go true his body )
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    welll things can still go one way or the other, kishi has pulled things on us before.
    I personally don't think kakishi is dead yet, or that madara is simply just madara. They both have more story to pull out.
    I definetly think that there will be some sort of big deal in having tobi unmasked, otherwise it would be a huge letdown.

    Although i like the obito=tobi theory just for the fact it will give kakishi some drama and another reason to kick stuff up. =P

    For some reason all the water village people we have seen have been ex nins, for some reason i keep feeling the village isn't very tightly knit, or was dissolved in some way. especially since madara the "mizukage" isn't really leading the village. This hasn't been touched on much has it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by _zet_ View Post
    welll things can still go one way or the other, kishi has pulled things on us before.
    I personally don't think kakishi is dead yet, or that madara is simply just madara. They both have more story to pull out.
    I definetly think that there will be some sort of big deal in having tobi unmasked, otherwise it would be a huge letdown.

    Although i like the obito=tobi theory just for the fact it will give kakishi some drama and another reason to kick stuff up. =P

    For some reason all the water village people we have seen have been ex nins, for some reason i keep feeling the village isn't very tightly knit, or was dissolved in some way. especially since madara the "mizukage" isn't really leading the village. This hasn't been touched on much has it?


    Thats actually an intresting thought, Kishi needs to give us some more info on the other countries, or at least make movies based on maybe a sannin gaiden, the first, second and third hokages and the wars and stuff hat happened then, and with other countries and characters as well, I mean kishi has SO much information hat he could put in the movies instead of having Naruto protect some whiney kid. . .


    yeah the whole tobi has a mask thing does make it seem like a big deal, but then again kishi could just be trolling us lol like he did when he hid the face of the akatsuki leader, and people were thinking it was the fourth or naruto's evil twin brother or something (personally I thgouht he was uchiha shinsui-something the mirage, the guy itachi "killed" to get the mangakeyo. . .of course that could have been madara as sui=japanese for water madara=water country hokage or whatever. . . .) but it turned out to be some random dude (with the rinnegan but still) nobody we previously saw in the story

    tobi also had his mask on in one of the flashbacks where he took out the clan with itachi, and it showed that when Itachi found out madara was a live it showed him without the mask (in the regular long haired form. . .but around the same time period. . .same flashback)

    so maybe kishi has tobi wear the mask for the characters in the story, not neccesarily the reeaders, I mean if the characters (the important smart ones in konoha) knew he was madara, they'd probably figure out why he lived so long and how to find a weakness in that. . .so for THAT reason wearing the mask and being who kishi told us he was makes a lot of sense.
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    he had been put to his grave remember? it cant be obito... if its the real madara, i think its just another one like negato who is the reincarnation of someone else

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    Conventionally speaking, it makes a lot of sense that Tobi be Obito. The names are just far too similar for coincidence, the one-eyed mask and short black hair certainly suggested that, and Kishimoto made a point of the fact that they never recovered Obito's body after the cave collapsed on him. On the other hand, the revelation that Tobi claims to be Madara complicates matters somewhat (although not to the point of impossibility), but more important is the point raised by Feanor- there's no POINT in him being Obito any more if Kakashi is dead. You can imagine the scene:

    TOBI: (removes mask) And I can reveal that I am in fact... UCHIHA OBITO!
    NARUTO: Who?

    I think the most likely situation is that Kishimoto originally INTENDED for Tobi to be Obito (he originally introduced Tobi not too long after he wrote the Kakashi Gaiden during the timeskip) but the story ran away on him and he had to change it to making him Uchiha Madara. I personally found the idea that a goodball like Tobi was secretly the man behind Akatsuki to be completely unexpected and, quite frankly, completely ridiculous. There was a decent reason for it (he claimed he was hiding from Itachi if I recall properly) but even that seems a bit weaksauce- if Madara really had reason to be afraid of Itachi (who's dead, don't forget) then he's not going to be a very good final villain, is he? So I'm betting on it being a sudden change when Kishimoto realised that Pain wouldn't serve as the series' Big Bad on his own (since he needed to destroy Konoha and then get wiped out) and demoted him to The Dragon instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane Azmadi View Post
    I think the most likely situation is that Kishimoto originally INTENDED for Tobi to be Obito (he originally introduced Tobi not too long after he wrote the Kakashi Gaiden during the timeskip) but the story ran away on him and he had to change it to making him Uchiha Madara. I personally found the idea that a goodball like Tobi was secretly the man behind Akatsuki to be completely unexpected and, quite frankly, completely ridiculous. There was a decent reason for it (he claimed he was hiding from Itachi if I recall properly) but even that seems a bit weaksauce- if Madara really had reason to be afraid of Itachi (who's dead, don't forget) then he's not going to be a very good final villain, is he? So I'm betting on it being a sudden change when Kishimoto realised that Pain wouldn't serve as the series' Big Bad on his own (since he needed to destroy Konoha and then get wiped out) and demoted him to The Dragon instead.

    That could make sense, especially since in the previous chapters, he's been making danzo look like obito with the eye patch and similar hair cut, but then he of course made tobi say he was uchiha madara. . . .

    but then he probably didnt have an idea how exactly WHY akatsuki would need the biju. . .and he still hasnt touched on that (besides pains reason. . but then madara wants them too. . .unless hes trying to use the superweapon for his own gains like world domination or something. . . . which would be well, lame)

    if you think about it it doesnt seem that kishi still has a completely solid plan for madara yet (hes still got the mask on) Im sure hes planned ahead but still hasnt gotten a totally solid idea of how he wants to deal with madara yet, which could be why he slowed the story waay down in the past few chaps with nagatos flashbacks which were cool and its a nice place to take a breather while he gets his ideas in order.

    I mean he still has to explain why madara sumoned the fox against the foruth, why he created akatsuki, why and how he got pain to be his "underling" and where sasuke is going to play in this sense orochimaru's dead (of course kishi gave him another orochimaru in madara but that still doesnt really solve the sasuke issue, unless he really wants to have sasuke finally "Experience" what kakashi said about gettign revenge makes you even more empty or whatever.)

    we'll just have to wait and see. . .thoguh it seems that kishi definately does have it more together with where he's going with the story than he did at during "the year of sasugay"
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