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    Quote Originally Posted by Heartlessfang View Post
    I'm still unclear whether Juugo and Yahiko are related. Since they look just like each other.....
    Donīt count on it, itīs most likely just similar character designs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masterrabbit View Post
    In the Sasuke vs Itachi battle/farce... Sasuke showed us that he was a master genjutsu user(to a point), not only were all his mid to long range jutsu mediocre, but they didnt come close to Naruto's short/mid range jutsus(rasengan/rasenshiruken). Sasuke's one Killer tech in the whole fight was his Kirin (and that wouldnt even be elementaly good againts a rasenshiruken/naruto).

    Sasuke is also lacking in taijutsu(his flexibility has lost usefullness), hes really fast but not strong....just like Naruto is really strong but not as fast...

    Sasuke's advantages againts Naruto are slim but good nonetheless - they are - Genjutsu(which can be countered if naruto ever learns how) and his Amaterasu, anything else Sasuke does Naruto can just take to the face like he always does.

    And again you are forgetting that Sasuke is a showoff, he likes to best his opponents(reason he got killed twice vs Killerbee). and the same reason why Sasuke is gonna end up in an all out close range battle againts Naruto.(and then wonder why he lost)
    You're argument has a fatal flaw; Naruto needs Sage Mode to pwn Sasuke at taijutsu. And like I mentioned, unless he knew about the fight before it started and prepared he can't use it. Also, even in Sage Mode he won't be immune being sliced up by the various chidoris, let alone Amaterasu.
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    Well he can still use Sage mode even if he doesn't know about the fight in andvance. It's just a bit tricky and harder to do.

    He can't make a clone sit around a mount whateverthenamewas (do they have to be there? don't know) and summon them when he needs to go into SM. That's true.

    But he can still do it the nomral way. Stay still and go into SM himself. As I said, it's harder to do, but not impossible.
    His clones make a good distraction for the enemy and can give him time to meditate (unless he needs to do it for several minutes before he can enter SM).
    So Sage mode is still a useable jutsu even in a suprising fight. Given that it's a very strong trump card (the speed,strenght and Rasenshuriken), the limitations to using and entering it are probably justified.
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    Except Sasuke can kill off his shadow clones like ragdolls. That's shy he didn't use that trick against Pain; there's no way either he or his clones will be allowed to stand still long enough to gather enough nature energy in the middle of a battle against an S ranked opponent.
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    Well with Pain he was facing 6 opponents which makes it that much harder to stay still.
    It most likely comes down to how long it takes to get into SM. If he only needs to meditate for about 30 seconds, I can see it work against a single opponent.
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    do you guyz think naruto will ever develop super sage mode? XD


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    You're argument has a fatal flaw; Naruto needs Sage Mode to pwn Sasuke at taijutsu. And like I mentioned, unless he knew about the fight before it started and prepared he can't use it. Also, even in Sage Mode he won't be immune being sliced up by the various chidoris, let alone Amaterasu.
    Hey im not the one that is biased here, i said clearly sasuke has the advantage with his amaterasu (but sasukes chidori variations arent amazing-actually they are very weak compared to Narutos rasengan variations).

    and i never even factored in Naruto's Sage Mode in regards to him going up againts Sasuke with Taijutsu, all i did was factor in his defense and healing factors and that was that.

    but if you want to all i gotta say is that Sage Mode compliments Narutos reckless taijutsu perfectly, and will give him the advantage againts sasuke speed/taijutsu.

    also seeing sasuke fight killerbee in a real battle(not plagued by plot device)and get pwned with his sharingan on in taijutsu was priceless. even if he pulled the plot device out at the end....it was enough for me.
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    ^Rasengan may be stronger than Chidori but it can't really be used to counter against the different ranged variations. They're just too different.

    A healing factor doesn't make Naruto immune to death(but it helps). Sasuke just has to give him an instantly fatal wound.

    And without Sage Mode, a taijutsu match between the two would undoubtedly end like this.
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/307/17/

    Actually, the fight with Killer Bee did have an element of plot induced stupidity. Why did Sasuke keep using taijutsu instead of hitting Bee with a ranged Katon or Raiton jutsu even after seeing how strong he was?...Well, I'll take your explanation that he got too cocky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    ...A healing factor doesn't make Naruto immune to death(but it helps). Sasuke just has to give him an instantly fatal wound.
    oh yea...Sasuke just has to pull off an instantly fatal wound..(out of pure skill i suppose?)

    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    And without Sage Mode, a taijutsu match between the two would undoubtedly end like this.
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/307/17/
    how many chapters back is that? like more than 100+ right? someone living in the past...

    Quote Originally Posted by The Witcher View Post
    Actually, the fight with Killer Bee did have an element of plot induced stupidity. Why did Sasuke keep using taijutsu instead of hitting Bee with a ranged Katon or Raiton jutsu even after seeing how strong he was?...Well, I'll take your explanation that he got too cocky.
    what you call plot induced stupidity is actually Sasuke's "Personality", sad but true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by masterrabbit View Post
    oh yea...Sasuke just has to pull off an instantly fatal wound..(out of pure skill i suppose?)
    You're saying he doesn't have that level of skill? He could beat 100+ men with enough accuracy to avoid all their vital parts, why would it be difficult for him to target the vitals in a single opponent?
    Quote Originally Posted by masterrabbit View Post
    how many chapters back is that? like more than 100+ right? someone living in the past...
    I thought you'd already know the answer to that. This is NARUTO we're talking about. He couldn't even do a one-handed Rasengan till very recently(and even that is inconsistent). There's been no indication whatsoever that his taijutsu has improved in any way since then outside of Sage Mode(beyond that one rock breaking feat). And in any case, without Sage Mode or Kyuubi chakra, how can he counter that "blink and you miss it" speed combined with the "I can see your every move even if YOU have super-speed" eyes?

    Quote Originally Posted by masterrabbit View Post
    what you call plot induced stupidity is actually Sasuke's "Personality", sad but true.
    I suppose. But he usually wises up and ups the ante after the initial beatdown. So Naruto had better knock him out at the start.
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