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    vita is offline Junior Member Newbie
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    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Why did Kishimoto kill Hinata, if she's really dead i will NEVER READ NARUTO EVER AGAIN.

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    While i'm certainly saddened by this.
    I love hinata-chan as much as anyone.
    but from a character standpoint she really has done what she was made for and then some.

    I mean considering that last sage clone. even if naruto had it. with that chakra rod in his hand. His control is shot to hell so that burst of sage chakra probably would have turned him into a frog statue.
    Kyubi was the only way to go for him at this point and he never could have hit that level without her sacrifice.

    And as much as i want her to live. Granted the whole generation surpassing the old and her being a part of it. Should she be revived it would seem a bit weak.

    One of my largest gripes with bleach is that no one ever dies among the good guys. not a single one.
    Nor can i see any viable reason for pain to spare her after killing thousands.

    So unless naruto can revive someone with sage chakra mixed with kyubi or some such nonsense. and the fact pain could pierce naruto in so many places missing all vitals making sure he would not miss. then she is as good as dead.

    So R.I.P. Hina-chan you will be missed.

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    On reflection, much as I'm proud of her for finally getting the words out, I have to say Hinata wasn't terribly bright here. Instead of attacking Pain, she should have pulled the stakes out of Naruto, it would only have taken a second and, despite a number of holes in his body, he'd be able to fight on. But then she wouldn't have "died" and let's face it, Kishimoto is only deploying her as a plot device here (otherwise her fight with Pain would have lasted more than half a page). Oh, the sad demands of Plot-Induced Stupidity...

    I finally realized why Pain annoys me- he blather on about "the depth of my pain" like some stereotypical whiny wrist-cutting emo, only without the emotional depth (which is REALLY sad) except... he's a heartless, soulless and emotionless doll who obviously doesn't care about anyone or anything. He acts like the suffering he endured during his childhood gives him an Omniscient Morality License, but really he's just using it as an excuse to kill people and indulge his A God Am I complex. To feel pain you actually have to care about what you lose. He thinks his pain is greater than Naruto's? He's basically torn Naruto's soul apart while he lost his parents and village as a child. Boo-hoo, cry me a fucking river. I wish he'd stop going on about his pain, he just seems more and more pathetic every time he mentions it.
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    ^......Fail.

    Pain understands pain, he, unlike Naruto, lived in a time where pain and loss and sadness were part of everyones everyday lives, Pain believes that if he can scare people into stop fighting for a while, they'll have a temporary peace, and if theres a few casualties, its the means to an end. Not saying I agree with Pain, but i dont see anything too pathetic about Pains plight.

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    On Naruto's tails:

    Naruto is obviously showing signs of being taken over by the Kyuubi as he releases more tails. If he does release 9-tails, he will become just that: the Kyuubi manifest. Anyone remember Gaara being knocked out when Shukaku took over? Yeh. I looked back at the chapters on Killerbee's transformation, and upon reading his and the 8-tail's dialogue, found no sure evidence of identical personalities. Meaning that even a Jinchuuriki with tail-control levels at Killerbee's cannot retain control at such a level.

    Plain and simple, it's unlikely that Naruto can "advance" his control over his Bijuu. I'm willing to bet that since 4-tails was over his limit before, it'll stay that way. I mean, if he was somehow able to expand his control over the Kyuubi, that would suggest that he'd eventually gain all the power of the entity, and to me, that'd defeat the purpose of being a vessel for it in the first place.

    Oh, and Hinata's not dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seksekseks View Post
    On Naruto's tails:

    Naruto is obviously showing signs of being taken over by the Kyuubi as he releases more tails. If he does release 9-tails, he will become just that: the Kyuubi manifest. Anyone remember Gaara being knocked out when Shukaku took over? Yeh. I looked back at the chapters on Killerbee's transformation, and upon reading his and the 8-tail's dialogue, found no sure evidence of identical personalities. Meaning that even a Jinchuuriki with tail-control levels at Killerbee's cannot retain control at such a level.

    Plain and simple, it's unlikely that Naruto can "advance" his control over his Bijuu. I'm willing to bet that since 4-tails was over his limit before, it'll stay that way. I mean, if he was somehow able to expand his control over the Kyuubi, that would suggest that he'd eventually gain all the power of the entity, and to me, that'd defeat the purpose of being a vessel for it in the first place.

    Oh, and Hinata's not dead.
    It's uncertain whether Killerbee has control over his beast or not, since it's also likely that he's a special case in which his beast just likes him and willing to coexist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcane Azmadi View Post
    On reflection, much as I'm proud of her for finally getting the words out, I have to say Hinata wasn't terribly bright here. Instead of attacking Pain, she should have pulled the stakes out of Naruto, it would only have taken a second and, despite a number of holes in his body, he'd be able to fight on. But then she wouldn't have "died" and let's face it, Kishimoto is only deploying her as a plot device here (otherwise her fight with Pain would have lasted more than half a page). Oh, the sad demands of Plot-Induced Stupidity...
    I pretty much agree with every thing here, like most of the people here, i was all for Hinata finally exclaiming her love in quite a romantic way, saving Narutoīs life while sacrificing her own but after some thought about the chapter, it left a bad taste in my mouth in Hinata was completely overlooked and pushed aside for the plot of part 2 only to make her great debut bathed in Plot-Induced Stupidity while she herself is nothing but a plot device to make Naruto "go to the next level" and release the Kyuubi.

    Sure, she was cute as hell and sheīs finally the character that Kishi set her up to be....but everything else about her in this chapter is just generic, poor shonen storytelling and iīm expecting more from Kishimoto.

    I hope she doesnīt die so we can have more screen time with her, itīs all good when he kills well developed characters like Jiraya (And their finally characterization ends and peaks with said death) but when he kills wasted potential just for a random power up, itīs just bullshit.
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    well ya still got neji..


    Whats up with the oversized signatures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DivineVTDragon View Post
    Ma was only repelled harshly, so it's very doubtful she died.

    It was to show accentuate her feelings to Naruto and deepen her final stand. One eye Byakugan means she can not only look at Naruto for the last time, but it also shows the other eye staring at pain. You can tell by the sound effect only "sounding" for one eye and not on top of her head where it could have been placed. Why didn't she use it on the other eye too? Mainly to focus on Naruto more than pain probably.

    Pain is the only person in Konoha history to have ever inflict so much destruction to it. Not even the 9 tails by itself that attacked Konoha at the time of Yondaime did that much damage. Pain, by himself, leveled Konoha and it's inhabitants to the brink of death. Jiraiya also was defeated by the 6 pains without Deva Realm even using his ability. I doubt pain, who actually listens to the information his teammates report to him (Hidan and Kakuzu's fight with 2 tails), doesn't have a plan against the Kyuubi. In fact, he egged it on as seen when he looked down on Hinata then to Naruto, knowing full well his actions.

    If you truly think that, then you must be reading another Manga. Pain, unlike Sasuke, has a whole other level of depth. Sasuke is basically a straight-forward character; I must kill my brother, to do so i must join forces with Orochimaru; now I must destroy Konoha, so I'll team up with Tobi. Sasuke believes in blind, slefish ambition, whereas Pain believes a "self-less" ideal. Nagato is currently pushing himself (he must be abusing his Chakra and he might die the same way as Kakashi) just as Naruto did for his goals and "ninja way." Pain generally cares for his comrades and countrymen, Sasuke however turned his back on his whole village, best friend, and ideals ("Konoha is now the enemy, kill").

    Pain has done anything but whine. Sasuke, throughout most of Part 2 served as a wall that Naruto has to climb. Pain however serves as the reality check of the world to Naruto. His one quote "what would you do," crushed Naruto more than Sasuke's words ever did, because Naruto not only was stumped, he usual optomistic attitude didn't give an answer that was foolish and headstrong ("I'd rather be a fool than abandon my friend"). Pain's character is the accumulation of all the Ninjas we don't see in the Narutoverse, the ones that are the most affected by those wars and yet are considered minor in front of the 5 major countries. Naruto and Pain's character created a paradox of each other, which is Kishimoto's purpose. Both have the same ideals, both fight for the same goals, but why would Pain be considered evil when Konoha did the same thing he is doing now?

    Or if you like to think of him as a typical teenager would, he'd be "OMG! Pain wears make-up, cries about the death of his parents. He must be just like Sasuke, emo boy because he went through the same thing (which he didn't)."

    I liked this chapter, but man, Pain didn't pull any punches against Hinata. A full Shinra Tensei instead of the usual repel. Though, I wonder what those bone armor are made of.
    My comment about Ma was made under the assumption that Pain had shot her in the head with a black impaler thing. Looking back at the frame with her on the ground makes me agree with you. At least about the repelled part. Whether or not she's dead is up in the air.

    I still stand by my comment about Hinata. It makes no sense for her to turn on only one eye when facing an S-class ninja. She could just as easily be shown looking at Pain while getting a last look at Naruto with two Byakugan. The sound effect was placed where it was b/c only one eye was changing in that instant. The other eye would have had to be transitioning to make that noise too.

    IMHO, the only reason the original Kyuubi didn't devastate the village was because he was stopped before he made it to the village proper. I think he easily would have destroyed it if he had made it. Chances are, if Naruto and Gaara had had their epic battle (uninterrupted) within the confines of the village, comparable damage would have been done (although not as cleanly due to the nature of Shinra Tensei). And I believe 4-tails Naruto already did comparable damage in his fight with Orochimaru (although on a possibly smaller scale). And even Orochimaru didn't have a defensive technique that could more than just barely repel Naruto's attack. I agree that Pain definitely has contingency plans for x-tails Naruto, but I think six-tails is too much raw power for Deva Pain to handle. Of course, these are just my guesses and we'll soon see for ourselves.

    My comment on Pain wasn't some character study or anything. It was more a comment on all the Sasuke bashing I hear all the time (I detest the word emo in all its various uses). Most of the reasons used are completely applicable to Pain's character. I understand that Pain has a seriously traumatic past. You'd have to be blind not to. But so does Sasuke (witnessed the extermination of his own family, then was mind-fcked by his own guilty brother). The only reason Sasuke seems so straight-forward is that we've watched him for nearly as long as we've watched Naruto. We know what drives him, and what his possible goals would be. Pain on the other hand, remains a big question mark. We've only had hints of his past. Not nearly enough to paint a clear picture of his character.

    I also disagree with Pain's caring for "his comrades and countrymen". What evidence have we seen of this? That he's made things seem better for his people? Any good dictator would do the same. Appease the people and you can get away with more. They don't even suspect anything about the flow of bodies towards the tower (not that we know there's anything actually suspicious about their deaths). The only people he seems to care about are Konan and Yahiko. And he even murdered his former teacher (which is much worse than simply leaving your village), when Jiraiya's never done anything wrong by Pain (as far as we know anyway). This was the man responsible for giving them the skill set that allowed them to survive. As much as I enjoy the character of Pain, he just doesn't seem much more redeemable than Sasuke to me.

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    ^
    wut democracy in Shinobi land?
    I don't see anyone voted Tsunade as a Hokage.
    She is Hokage because she is needed for the rebuild of Konoha.
    and beside
    This attack by Pain has cause far more destruction then
    Orochi X Sand together (minus the Gaara)

    any one noticed that this time we don't have any foreshadowing of the Death of Hinata!!!
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