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    Default Tsunade is Naruto's grandmother(Theory by Turrin of NF)

    This is a theory i have been thinking about for a long time, but never really got around to posting it because it wasn't top of my list on the theories/threads that i wanted to post. Anyway i think its pretty apparent from the hints in the manga that Tsunade and Dan are Minato's mother/father. The reason i think this is true is because there are just so many hints shown in the manga and Data-book thats its almost undeniable. So i'll try and keep this short and post them in a list


    1-Tsunade and Minato have the same exact blood type(B).

    2-Dan and Minato graduated the Achedemy at the Same time(When they were 10)

    3-Tsunade and Minato Share the Same Hair Color(Blond)

    4-Minato and Dan are around the same height and wieght as each other(they are only different by a 3-4 in both catagories)

    5-Naruto and Nawaki(tsunade's brother) look nearly identical. Shows possibly a family resemblance

    6-Its intresting that naruto always calls Tsunade Grandma Tsunade, which would be very ironic on kishi's part if it was true

    Now that the basic comparisons are over here's the real big evidance

    5-Madara suggest that the Hokage line has been kept in the Senju clan for years. When he talks about this their is a picture of the hokage mountain and it shows the fourth hokage's head on it. This implies that the Hokage position was still held by the Senju even during the fourth Hokage's time, which inturn implies that the fourth hokage is a Senju.

    Where else would he get the blood from the Senju clan then Tsunade.

    6-Tsunade passes down the hokage neckless to naruto which was set to stay in Tsunade's family and passed down in their family since the first hokage. Since there is a big deal made out of the neckless i think this implies that Naruto might be in Tsunade's family.

    7-Yamato remarks about naruto's Chakra being special because he is able to hold off the power of the 4-tails w/o dieing. This might be because naruto is related to the Senju clan and thus his chakra has the same qualities as Shodai which helps to protect him from the kyuubi chakra

    8-There is a great amount of symbolism between Shodai-Naruto and Sasuke-Madara. They stood on that statues of each other at the valley of the end(Naruto on Shodai's and Sasuke on Madara's). Many people thought this implied that Shodai is like naruto and sasuke is like Madara. But Sasuke is actually and Uchiha so i don't see why this wouldn't also imply that naruto is a Senju.

    9-And i think this is the biggest telling piece of information eventhough some people might read the dialog differently then i did. Now remember the chapter where Jiriaya tells Tsunade that he is going to Ame to look for AL and they have Sake. Well when their discussion turns to minato alot of things bother me about the way Jiriaya talks to Tsunade.

    First look at Tsunade's face when she says Minato-Namikaze on page 10 chapter 367 she seems very sad about saying his name. Now this can be explained away by her just having been friends with him or somthing and being sad thinking about how he died, but it creates a very wierd mood for what happens next. First Jiriaya goes on to brag about Minato and what he was like and his amazing Genious.

    Which let me say its wierd that Jiriaya even brought up Minato at this point in the converstation because previously they were talking about how Tsunade has lost so many people in the past and about how she rejected Jiriaya's advances. Then Jiriaya seems to imply that he thought of Minato as a son and brags about him to which he says that if Minato had been his son he would have bragged about him constantly.

    But what makes this suspect to me is he says i never had any kids of my own while looking at Tsunade and then says if Minato had been my kid...etc.. Doesn't this sound like what some one would say to a mother who lost their child...just replace minato with your son and doesn't the whole dialog seem right.

    For example i will redo the dialog this way

    "Tsunade you son had talent only seen once in a decade at best. He was a genious...No one like him has been born in awhile." "He was such a nice kid yet his guts and desire to succeed were the fiercest i have ever seen." "and in the blink of an eye he was our fourth hokage." "I never had kids so i don't know what its like, but if he had been my son i would have bragged about him all the time."

    Now i want you to think about what kind of character Jiriaya is. He's the guy who failed all his life at love and he failed to Dan. Now think about it if Jiriaya had succeeded with Tsunade he would have been Minato's father instead of Dan. Its basically like Jiriaya is saying he always thought of Minato as his son because he could have very well been his father if it wasn't for a simple twist of fate. Basically that whole converstation made me think that Jiriaya was talking about Minato as if he was Tsunade's son and if you read the flow of that converstation from its start to finish with the idea that Minato is Tsunade's son alot of Jiriaya's jokes and ways that he talks makes alot of sense.

    So whats my theory on how Minato is Tsunade's son. I think that Tsunade got pregnant by Dan a little bit before he went off on the mission that killed him. She also was doing missions because she didn't know that she herself was pregnant yet. After Dan Died she found that she was pregnant with his child which caused her to go even more into the depression that led her to leave the village. I think after Dan died she stayed in the village long enough to give birth to Minato and then she put him up for adoption and left the village.

    Years later Jiriaya trained Minato because he loved Tsunade so much. Basically Jiriaya felt like Minato could have been his kid and he wanted to be a father to Tsunade's kid becuase of his love for her. So he trained Minato and they did gain a father son bond which later resulted in Jiriaya ironically becoming naruto's God Father. Tsunade probably never told Minato that he was her kid, but all the elders of Konoha knew because they knew she put him up for adoption as a baby, which made Minato a member of the Senju clan which helped increase his chances of becoming hokage.

    The genious of kishimoto can truely be seen if this theory is true. For many reasons:

    1-It will be important in naruto becoming a full fledge ninja because he might develop some of Shodai's power to allow him to control the demon fox or it might help explain why he is able to finally control the demon fox with his own chakra. It would also build up the tension between Sasuke and Naruto if naruto was a true Senju clan member.

    2-It fit perfectly with the irony of Jiriaya's story/character. Jiriaya failed in love eventhough and Dan won out. Jiriaya could have been Minato's father, but he ended up becoming Minato's Sensi and Foster father figure anyway. Eventhough he failed in love with Tsunade he was still able to become part of Minato's family and even became naruto's God father.

    3-It would fit perfectly with Tsunade's dynamic with naruto and her troubled past storyline. It would also be amazing if naruto did find out Tsunade was his grandmother right before she died. Also Tsunade would then be in a position to be the one to reveal naruto's entire lineage to him. It would also make sense why she was so willing to bet the neckless with naruto becuase he is part of the Senju clan as well.
    ORiginally posted by TUrrni



    Interesting theory wouldn't yall say?
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    I've seen this before on so many forums, its funny and the thing that keeps coming up is age.

    Tsunade and Jiraiya are both 54 Years old in Part 2.
    Kakashi is 30 Years old.
    Naruto is 16 Years old.
    Which means Minato (if still alive) would be 41 or 42 years old. (Which so happens to be the ages of the Parent's of the Rookies.

    which would mean that Tsunade was 12-13 when she had him
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    don't think asian clans/ family names work like that.
    Naruto could be related to the Senyu/ or to the Tsunade
    but he's no Senyu

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    *to the tune of standard bell chimes on the hour*

    Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb, /
    Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb.

    This theory tries to support itself mainly on the basis of symbolism and irony and speculation on Jiraiya's motives. And to top that poor basis, the speculation itself sucks.

    As far as we've seen, adoption isn't even an option in the village. If it was, no orphans would be living alone, would they?

    As for this shitty idea:
    Now this can be explained away by her just having been friends with him or somthing and being sad thinking about how he died, but it creates a very wierd mood for what happens next. First Jiriaya goes on to brag about Minato and what he was like and his amazing Genious.
    1) Wouldn't most people be a little depressed when thinking of a village martyr?
    2) Tsunade's sad response here wasn't her first reaction to Minato; we saw that when Jiraiya went to retrieve Tsunade that she believed Minato and Sandaime to be fools. If she was his mother, she would have probably felt more guilty.

    2-Dan and Minato graduated the Achedemy at the Same time(When they were 10)
    In neither case is this especially exceptional or distinct, considering Konoha was in war during both times and needed more manpower. Hell, even Kakashi graduated early. Wait, he even has silver hair! OMG, Kakashi is Naruto's older brother :O

    5-Madara suggest that the Hokage line has been kept in the Senju clan for years. When he talks about this their is a picture of the hokage mountain and it shows the fourth hokage's head on it. This implies that the Hokage position was still held by the Senju even during the fourth Hokage's time, which inturn implies that the fourth hokage is a Senju.
    He used Tobi's claims (at face value) as a basis for this???

    Years later Jiriaya trained Minato because he loved Tsunade so much. Basically Jiriaya felt like Minato could have been his kid and he wanted to be a father to Tsunade's kid becuase of his love for her. So he trained Minato and they did gain a father son bond which later resulted in Jiriaya ironically becoming naruto's God Father.
    Except for the fact that the students are initially assigned to their jounins by the Hokage's council.... The jounin only has the option of rejecting the students he is assigned.

    I know dollar was trolling us, but giving the full rebuttal was unusually satisfying
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    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    I've seen this before on so many forums, its funny and the thing that keeps coming up is age.

    Tsunade and Jiraiya are both 54 Years old in Part 2.
    Kakashi is 30 Years old.
    Naruto is 16 Years old.
    Which means Minato (if still alive) would be 41 or 42 years old. (Which so happens to be the ages of the Parent's of the Rookies.

    which would mean that Tsunade was 12-13 when she had him
    NO because Minato died at 18 years old or younger than that i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black flash View Post
    I've seen this before on so many forums, its funny and the thing that keeps coming up is age.

    Tsunade and Jiraiya are both 54 Years old in Part 2.
    Kakashi is 30 Years old.
    Naruto is 16 Years old.
    Which means Minato (if still alive) would be 41 or 42 years old. (Which so happens to be the ages of the Parent's of the Rookies.

    which would mean that Tsunade was 12-13 when she had him
    lol. the age and time theory again.
    remember my theory on Itachi's age and time when he joint Anbu/Akatsuki?

    yeah.
    Maybe Kishi will write/retcon it

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    So this is what we're reduced to when three weeks pass with only one chapter to tie us over...

    If Tsunade was Naruto's grandmother I think she may have been a little kinder to him when they first met. Unless she was full of that much dislike for family.

    It's a better story with a little more mystery to the bloodline.

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    I haven't found any data/evidence in the manga to accurately age Kakashi, so it's hard to tell which age is more accurate. Kakashi was ~14 when Minato died though.

    @R3d- Itachi's aging has been confirmed though. It might seem unlikely, but it fits the story considering he was a genius ninja too.
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    3-Tsunade and Minato Share the Same Hair Color(Blond)
    What about Ino?? Naruto's half sister?

    He wasn't the yellow flash for no reason, impregnated every pretty girl in the village before killing himself.

    I have O+ my mom has A- Blood father B-, nice flawed theory. just forgot to consider GENETICS?! (not adopted ...)

    Tsunade passes down the hokage neckless to naruto which was set to stay in Tsunade's family and passed down in their family since the first hokage.
    And she gave to dan didn't she? oops.. she just broke the "family rule"

    Not to mention its not some super antique heirloom passed thru generations..
    She got from first, and thats it.
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    ^Also, if she cared about passing the heirloom to the next generation off so much, she would have given it to Minato while he was alive if he was her son.
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