Thread: Naruto Chapter 420

Originally Posted by Tharand

This is Naruto we are talking about. Those 5 mins will probably be like Sakura's 2 mins antidote back when fighting sasori....they will last forever. at least as long as a fight needs them to last.
(I won't mention Ichigo's 11 sec. or what it was masked time restriction, time isn't taken too seriously in this kind of manga)


and they cover was cool as heck. finally we get to see all jinchuuriki after kishi previously just told us "yo, they were all captured already". but there's something weird, too. the 3-tails didn't have a host as far as I can remember.

EDIT: okay I wrote that post before actually reading the chapter, so my question is...when did it say exactly 5 mins? I kinda missed that.

the first scanlation posted at onemanga have a translation that the sage mode only last for 5 minutes.

I found this chapter a little dissapointing, but it's not surprising since the last few chapters have been a notch above Kishi's usual level of writing and I knew it was too good to last.

Like many feared, Kishimoto's once again dropped the ball on developing Naruto into a respectably powerful ninja for whom being Hokage would actually seem more than a pipe dream. In what seems to be a trend, my gloomier predicitions came true:

a)Naruto getting a time limit for Sage mode that won't be rectified anytime soon, so that it will probably be forgotten after the Pein battle, just like Rasenshuriken.

b)The result of the 'frog-fu' training (and by extension, this whole Senjutsu arc) turning out to be nothing better than improved Taijutsu for Naruto. No toad jutsus like Jiraiya's. No new elemental jutsus. Not even a completed Rasenshuriken. And a still incomplete 'that' jutsu. Just like I said, Pein will be the one showing all the variety in their eventual battle.

The main purpose for always keeping Naruto's power shackled is clearly to maintain an unnamed 'status quo' : that Naruto should not, at his base level, become any better as a shinobi than his Part 1 state(has he learnt a single new(and readily useable) jutsu post-timeskip?). This way, just about everybody else is ahead of him.

And while the purpose of all this nerfing is to maintain Naruto's status as the underdog, Kishi's taking it too far. After having gone this long without any permanent increase in his strength, many readers no longer see Naruto as an underdog; he's just plain PATHETIC(Just like Sakura in Part 1).

Originally Posted by The Witcher

I found this chapter a little dissapointing, but it's not surprising since the last few chapters have been a notch above Kishi's usual level of writing and I knew it was too good to last.

Like many feared, Kishimoto's once again dropped the ball on actually developing Naruto into a respectably powerful ninja for whom being Hokage would actually seem more than a pipe dream. In what seems to be a trend, my gloomier predicitions came true:

a)Naruto getting a time limit for Sage mode that won't be rectified anytime soon, so that it will probably be forgotten after the Pein battle, just like Rasenshuriken.

b)The result of the 'frog-fu' training (and by extension, this whole Senjutsu arc) turning out to be nothing better than improved Taijutsu for Naruto. No toad jutsus like Jiraiya's. No new elemental jutsus. No completed Rasenshuriken. And a still incomplete 'that' jutsu. Just like I said, Pein will be the one showing all the variety in their eventual battle.

The main purpose for these never-ending shackles on Naruto is clearly to maintain an unnamed 'status quo' : that Naruto should not, at his base level, become any better as a shinobi than his Part 1 state. This way, just about everybody else is ahead of him.

And while the purpose of all this nerfing is to keep Naruto as the underdog, but after going this far without any permanent increase in strength, readers no longer see Naruto as an underdog; he's just plain PATHETIC(Just like Sakura in Part 1).

I have to agree there. But I noticed something like wires in the old animal realm Pain's body. What do you think that is?

hey, it was ok...

i think it's good that naruto's just getting an all-around power-up, cause he lacked taijutsu anyway. no need for a variety of jutsus, i think.

well, knowing naruto, he'll complete whatever jutsu he was hiding in like 10 mins. Or during the fight itself, like rasengan.

kakashi is so getting owned by pain...

I think the chap was good.
The thing with the chakra receiver seems to be a key point in Pain´s powers....
And also it seems the interrogators found something....Pain is going down in Konoha,even if someone (important) dies...

I really hope Naruto puts up a good fight and he´ll figure out a way to fight without Pa (later on,not now lol)

Originally Posted by isildur

I have to agree there. But I noticed something like wires in the old animal realm Pain's body. What do you think that is?

Maybe it serves the same purpose as the rods and piercings in his body: a chakra reciever.

Now it's almost certain that Pein's bodies are being externally controlled through those piercings. Any guesses on who's the one controlling them? Nagato? Or is it Madara?(would explain why Pein, a self-proclaimed 'God' obeys him).

I'm personally guessing that the truth behind Pein will be something really unexpected and shocking. Something like when in the Tsubasa Chronicle anime the villain introduced a second Syaoran suspended inside a tank- maybe something like a child Nagato hibernating inside some containment chamber with wires coming out or something. Got any opinions on this idea?

I much prefer the Sleepy Fans version that just says he can't use it indefinitely, rather than the simple 5 minutes.

I liked the chapter. As Witcher said, it would've been nice to see the addition of new jitsus, but hey, this is Naruto.

Anyways, the battle begins. I thought that Iruka would've made a good first death. Something to really get Naruto riled.

If Naruto will ever become Hokage, than it could be fitting to kill of Tsunade now and have Naruto save the village. But I doubt he's ready for that. I'd prefer if he would decline the offer of being Hokage when (if) it happens. He should be old enough now to understand that he can be well recognized and accepted as a ninja without being Hokage, all he'll get is respect and lots of paperwork. It's out of character unless he matures.

Yea i dont know where that 5 mins thing came from. When i read it it said he just cant use it for an extended period of time. Personally i, as well as many others, arent suprised at this. Im simply indifferent cause we saw this coming from a mile away.

Its possible that naruto learnt some Sage jutsu as well as taijutsu cause thats what Pa toad said. But only a little though.

Kakashi kakashi kakashi.. thanks for saving iruka, now how much you pple wanna bet that naruto's gonna do the same for him when he gets back. 2nd time naruto's gonna have to bail kakashi out of a pinch. Why the hell would tsunade want naruto back is puzzling to me. Maybe she realizes if hes not here konoha would be completely destroyed.

I also agree that those piercings have something to do with the pain bodies control. But if thas the case then we still dont fully have a clue what the rinnegan does. And that "main" pain body seems to have some kind of shield around him.

Overrall on a scale of 1-10 id this this chap and 8. For the most part it was pretty fast paced and exciting. Kakashi's fight shouldn't dissapoint. Guess who's gonna have to whip out the MS again. I wonder if he somehow improved it?

P.S. did anybody else realized that the other interogation guy was Ino's dad!! That totally was blank in my mind until today.

After having gone this long without any permanent increase in his strength, many readers no longer see Naruto as an underdog; he's just plain PATHETIC(Just like Sakura in Part 1).

Jesus, please be more dramatic, i don´t think you could find a worse example to compare Sage Naruto.

The main purpose for these never-ending shackles on Naruto is clearly to maintain an unnamed 'status quo' : that Naruto should not, at his base level, become any better as a shinobi than his Part 1 state.

You seriously believe that?

Jiraya didn´t even completed Sage mode and his time limit was pretty extensive, those 5 minutes, in manga time, will be much longer than "5 minutes" and you know that. As a restriction, this is minimal, especially considering that he´ll be packing the 2 Genjutsu singing frogs of death in his shoulders.

He´s not the top dog of the chain of course but he´s getting better by the training, considering that the already has 1 S technique and "that" jutsu is probably just as powerful.

By the way, i´m looking at Onemanga´s chapter and i´m not seeing 5 minutes.